Purolator tears still an issue?
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I have mine.
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Originally Posted By: cptbarkey
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
We have good evidence that Purolator white cans and P1s experience media failures at a much higher rate than we've seen from other maker's products.
While their failure rate is nothing close to 100%, it appears to be much greater than a random 1% or so.
your made up statistics is hogwash and utter nonsense.
I take it that you don't entirely agree with my post?
Oh, the statement is great, except let me reiterate again, provide statistical proof and maybe you could convince myself and several others. You just pull the numbers from the posterior. So far its been great entertainment watching the amateurs sitting around the campfire drinking beer and conjecturing about it. Carry on.
Originally Posted By: cptbarkey
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
We have good evidence that Purolator white cans and P1s experience media failures at a much higher rate than we've seen from other maker's products.
While their failure rate is nothing close to 100%, it appears to be much greater than a random 1% or so.
your made up statistics is hogwash and utter nonsense.
I take it that you don't entirely agree with my post?
Oh, the statement is great, except let me reiterate again, provide statistical proof and maybe you could convince myself and several others. You just pull the numbers from the posterior. So far its been great entertainment watching the amateurs sitting around the campfire drinking beer and conjecturing about it. Carry on.
Originally Posted By: cptbarkey
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Originally Posted By: cptbarkey
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
We have good evidence that Purolator white cans and P1s experience media failures at a much higher rate than we've seen from other maker's products.
While their failure rate is nothing close to 100%, it appears to be much greater than a random 1% or so.
your made up statistics is hogwash and utter nonsense.
I take it that you don't entirely agree with my post?
Oh, the statement is great, except let me reiterate again, provide statistical proof and maybe you could convince myself and several others. You just pull the numbers from the posterior. So far its been great entertainment watching the amateurs sitting around the campfire drinking beer and conjecturing about it. Carry on.
Why are we supposed to care what you are convinced of? The most entertaining part of all this though is watching the trolls and argumentative d-bags ignore photographic evidence.
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Originally Posted By: cptbarkey
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
We have good evidence that Purolator white cans and P1s experience media failures at a much higher rate than we've seen from other maker's products.
While their failure rate is nothing close to 100%, it appears to be much greater than a random 1% or so.
your made up statistics is hogwash and utter nonsense.
I take it that you don't entirely agree with my post?
Oh, the statement is great, except let me reiterate again, provide statistical proof and maybe you could convince myself and several others. You just pull the numbers from the posterior. So far its been great entertainment watching the amateurs sitting around the campfire drinking beer and conjecturing about it. Carry on.
Why are we supposed to care what you are convinced of? The most entertaining part of all this though is watching the trolls and argumentative d-bags ignore photographic evidence.
Please look in the oil filters forum if you need "evidence" enough said
Amateurs?
You test and cut oil filters as a vocation?
Not according to your profile, so you are but an amatuer as well.
BITOG is only a tiny subset of oil filter users and those who cut used filters are an even smaller subset.
Many who cut their filters noticed an alarming number of media failures in Purolator oil filters relative to other brands of oil filters cut with photos posted.
That's valid enough for most members to avoid using Purolator oil filters.
Purolator has thus far denied that there's any problem.
The first step in correcting a problem is to acknowledge its existance.
Purolator hasn't gotten there yet, nor have you.
Maybe it's time for you and your fellow trolls to recognize reality after being smacked in the face with it numerous times.
You test and cut oil filters as a vocation?
Not according to your profile, so you are but an amatuer as well.
BITOG is only a tiny subset of oil filter users and those who cut used filters are an even smaller subset.
Many who cut their filters noticed an alarming number of media failures in Purolator oil filters relative to other brands of oil filters cut with photos posted.
That's valid enough for most members to avoid using Purolator oil filters.
Purolator has thus far denied that there's any problem.
The first step in correcting a problem is to acknowledge its existance.
Purolator hasn't gotten there yet, nor have you.
Maybe it's time for you and your fellow trolls to recognize reality after being smacked in the face with it numerous times.
Very well said fdcg27
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Amateurs?
You test and cut oil filters as a vocation?
Not according to your profile, so you are but an amatuer as well.
BITOG is only a tiny subset of oil filter users and those who cut used filters are an even smaller subset.
Many who cut their filters noticed an alarming number of media failures in Purolator oil filters relative to other brands of oil filters cut with photos posted.
That's valid enough for most members to avoid using Purolator oil filters.
Purolator has thus far denied that there's any problem.
The first step in correcting a problem is to acknowledge its existance.
Purolator hasn't gotten there yet, nor have you.
Maybe it's time for you and your fellow trolls to recognize reality after being smacked in the face with it numerous times.
so send in your oil filter to the manufacturer for professional analysis. or cut it open, stare at the mess, enjoy having no legal recourse, and whine on an internet forum.
Amateurs?
You test and cut oil filters as a vocation?
Not according to your profile, so you are but an amatuer as well.
BITOG is only a tiny subset of oil filter users and those who cut used filters are an even smaller subset.
Many who cut their filters noticed an alarming number of media failures in Purolator oil filters relative to other brands of oil filters cut with photos posted.
That's valid enough for most members to avoid using Purolator oil filters.
Purolator has thus far denied that there's any problem.
The first step in correcting a problem is to acknowledge its existance.
Purolator hasn't gotten there yet, nor have you.
Maybe it's time for you and your fellow trolls to recognize reality after being smacked in the face with it numerous times.
so send in your oil filter to the manufacturer for professional analysis. or cut it open, stare at the mess, enjoy having no legal recourse, and whine on an internet forum.
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Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
^^^ Just post up torn Purolators here and spread the word. No use contacting Purolator over it, they are deaf.
the guy who started the spreadsheet of tears had started a good effort, but only recorded the failures. hence, the actual failure rate isn't known. why not pick up the torch and do it intelligently versus howling at the moon hoping some corporate big wig will take notice. oh i'm sorry, its so much more easy to be that guy who just complains all day, i forgot.
^^^ Just post up torn Purolators here and spread the word. No use contacting Purolator over it, they are deaf.
the guy who started the spreadsheet of tears had started a good effort, but only recorded the failures. hence, the actual failure rate isn't known. why not pick up the torch and do it intelligently versus howling at the moon hoping some corporate big wig will take notice. oh i'm sorry, its so much more easy to be that guy who just complains all day, i forgot.
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At this point it's useless to contact Purolator.
They are not going to say anything so everyone needs to either stop using if they choose,or for the few who don't see the problem,just keep using a substandard filter.
And I have used many of them in my lifetime.
Not any more.
They are not going to say anything so everyone needs to either stop using if they choose,or for the few who don't see the problem,just keep using a substandard filter.
And I have used many of them in my lifetime.
Not any more.
Be safe and use something other than purolater.
Originally Posted By: cptbarkey
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
^^^ Just post up torn Purolators here and spread the word. No use contacting Purolator over it, they are deaf.
the guy who started the spreadsheet of tears had started a good effort, but only recorded the failures. hence, the actual failure rate isn't known. why not pick up the torch and do it intelligently versus howling at the moon hoping some corporate big wig will take notice. oh i'm sorry, its so much more easy to be that guy who just complains all day, i forgot.
It would be useless to track the ones that don't tear.
Here's the clinger. Before the Purolator tearing issue there was never anything even close to 60+ reports of torn oil filters from the same manufacturer since this chat board was started over 10 years ago.
Do the math, it's not normal for 60+ reported failures from one manufacturer to occur over a relatively short time period. If you scaled that phenomenon to all the Purolators made in the world, it would show that there are a whole heck of a lot of filters tearing out there.
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
^^^ Just post up torn Purolators here and spread the word. No use contacting Purolator over it, they are deaf.
the guy who started the spreadsheet of tears had started a good effort, but only recorded the failures. hence, the actual failure rate isn't known. why not pick up the torch and do it intelligently versus howling at the moon hoping some corporate big wig will take notice. oh i'm sorry, its so much more easy to be that guy who just complains all day, i forgot.
It would be useless to track the ones that don't tear.
Here's the clinger. Before the Purolator tearing issue there was never anything even close to 60+ reports of torn oil filters from the same manufacturer since this chat board was started over 10 years ago.
Do the math, it's not normal for 60+ reported failures from one manufacturer to occur over a relatively short time period. If you scaled that phenomenon to all the Purolators made in the world, it would show that there are a whole heck of a lot of filters tearing out there.
Originally Posted By: cptbarkey
the guy who started the spreadsheet of tears had started a good effort, but only recorded the failures. hence, the actual failure rate isn't known.
More accurately, he only recorded the known failures. He certainly wasn't privy to every Purolator failure in the world, and people don't tend to report successes.
With the recent proliferation of opened filter threads, we seem to be getting a better idea. All kinds of filters are being opened, and we are seeing Purolator successes and Purolator failures. Funny, though, I don't recall seeing a lot of tears in non-Purolator filters.
the guy who started the spreadsheet of tears had started a good effort, but only recorded the failures. hence, the actual failure rate isn't known.
More accurately, he only recorded the known failures. He certainly wasn't privy to every Purolator failure in the world, and people don't tend to report successes.
With the recent proliferation of opened filter threads, we seem to be getting a better idea. All kinds of filters are being opened, and we are seeing Purolator successes and Purolator failures. Funny, though, I don't recall seeing a lot of tears in non-Purolator filters.
To objectively analyze the failure rate you would apply the filters that failed against those who didn't. That would be the only way to accurately identify the failure rate. At this point we really dont know what the failure rate is. Is it 1 in 10? 1 in 2000? It is anyones guess.
Furthermore, you aren't even sure if it is an isolated problem to one region, or an issue that extends to every Purolator in the U.S. I havent experienced any tears. Is it possible that all the Purolator filters in Texas are exempt? I doubt it...thus the problem is most likely not as horrific as many here make it out to be.
If you dont like the filters, thats fine. You dont have to use them. But it isn't right to make it seem that there are only a "few" left who still use them and make it seem as if they are retarded for doing so. There are M A N Y here who still use Purolator filters. I have spoken with many of them through PM. It just seems that they dont want to argue with others over the ludicrous nature of this "problem."
But then again, without any disagreements, BITOG would be a very boring place. Everyone would be agreeing with each other, making sure everyone used the same filter and constantly talking about that same filter over and over again. Wait a second...has anyone used the Fram Ultra...?
Furthermore, you aren't even sure if it is an isolated problem to one region, or an issue that extends to every Purolator in the U.S. I havent experienced any tears. Is it possible that all the Purolator filters in Texas are exempt? I doubt it...thus the problem is most likely not as horrific as many here make it out to be.
If you dont like the filters, thats fine. You dont have to use them. But it isn't right to make it seem that there are only a "few" left who still use them and make it seem as if they are retarded for doing so. There are M A N Y here who still use Purolator filters. I have spoken with many of them through PM. It just seems that they dont want to argue with others over the ludicrous nature of this "problem."
But then again, without any disagreements, BITOG would be a very boring place. Everyone would be agreeing with each other, making sure everyone used the same filter and constantly talking about that same filter over and over again. Wait a second...has anyone used the Fram Ultra...?
Bottom line - the failure rate seems too high for most people to continue using Purolator products until evidence shows that the issue has been fixed. I doubt you are going to talk anyone into using them now since tearing media reports are still coming in. That's the way it is, sadly for Purolator and the people who liked using them in the past. Only Purolator can make moves to rectify this and gain back some lost customers, nobody else.
Originally Posted By: jk_636
If you dont like the filters, thats fine. You dont have to use them. But it isn't right to make it seem that there are only a "few" left who still use them and make it seem as if they are retarded for doing so. There are M A N Y here who still use Purolator filters.
You should try to prove it by taking a poll of who still uses them knowing they tear vs those that use to use them before the tearing problem. People who use them and don't know about the issue don't count.
If you dont like the filters, thats fine. You dont have to use them. But it isn't right to make it seem that there are only a "few" left who still use them and make it seem as if they are retarded for doing so. There are M A N Y here who still use Purolator filters.
You should try to prove it by taking a poll of who still uses them knowing they tear vs those that use to use them before the tearing problem. People who use them and don't know about the issue don't count.
Originally Posted By: jk_636
But then again, without any disagreements, BITOG would be a very boring place. Everyone would be agreeing with each other, making sure everyone used the same filter and constantly talking about that same filter over and over again. Wait a second...has anyone used the Fram Ultra...?
It's really not hard to understand why people like and use the Ultra. What if that same exact oil filter said "Purolator" or "WIX" or "Mobil 1" or "Amsoil" on the side, or if it just said "Oil Filter" on the side. Read my signature.
But then again, without any disagreements, BITOG would be a very boring place. Everyone would be agreeing with each other, making sure everyone used the same filter and constantly talking about that same filter over and over again. Wait a second...has anyone used the Fram Ultra...?
It's really not hard to understand why people like and use the Ultra. What if that same exact oil filter said "Purolator" or "WIX" or "Mobil 1" or "Amsoil" on the side, or if it just said "Oil Filter" on the side. Read my signature.
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