Purolator oil filters for [censored] bikes

[kballowe]

There's a lot of good information out there on oil filters and the Purolator Pure One filter seems to come in the top selections anytime someone compares auto oil filters for motorcycle use. Yes, they list the bypass pressures and anti-drainback and on and on. Many of the same auto oil filter manufacturers also make motorcycle-specific oil filters, but the majority of these studies recommend against them. Instead, they recommend the auto versions.

The only reason I was even thinking about this is that I cut open one of my OEM Yamaha oil filters and I think it'll be the last one of those I ever use. The OEM Honda oil filters are nicely constructed and I can buy them in bulk for about six bucks each. I use the Genuine Harley filters for my Harleys.

Any thoughts?

 

[TucsonDon]

What did you see in your Yamaha OEM that disturbed you?

I've been sticking with the Honda OEM filters for my Wing. I can get them for $8 at WingStuff.com and I've heard good things about them.

The Purolator filters also get good marks from many.

But overall ... the truth is I don't really have a clue. I see so many recommendations for and against ... I can't tell up from down any more.

 

[dwendt44]

And many a Gold Wing owner use the Wal-mart Supertech filters with no problems(<$3). The Advance Auto house brand filter is even better (purolator) also <$3.

 

[kballowe]

Originally Posted By: TucsonDon
What did you see in your Yamaha OEM that disturbed you?

I've been sticking with the Honda OEM filters for my Wing. I can get them for $8 at WingStuff.com and I've heard good things about them.

The Purolator filters also get good marks from many.

But overall ... the truth is I don't really have a clue. I see so many recommendations for and against ... I can't tell up from down any more.


Yeah, I use the OEM Honda filters, as well. It's the Yamaha filters that I have a problem with. Not a standard design..... and the local dealer wants $14. Now, that fourteen bucks would not be a problem if I thought I was getting a premium filter.

Weird looking filter, eh? Endcaps are paper and the bypass valve is glued in place. These filters are made by Denso.

The Honda OEM filters are very well made and have excellent filtering media - lots of nice crisp pleats, metal endcaps. Maybe the Honda OEM filter is just better-looking. No one wants an ugly oil filter, right?

 

[TucsonDon]

The appearance of my oil filter is what drives my world!

(Particularly for my Wing ... the filter is hidden behind the lower cowl. I wouldn't care if the filter was bright pink ... as long as it worked well.)

That picture of the Yamaha filter looks like it uses some kind pressed fiber for its media, as opposed to pleated paper. Is that right? Is the filtering media really more like a thick mat of loosely pressed fiber?

I've seen lots of discussions about the SuperTech filters and such ... but since I can get the Honda OEM filter from WingStuff.com for $8 or so, I just go with that. Easy enough. My dealer wants $14 for the same filter.

 

[kballowe]

Yeah, that's exactly what it looks like (to me). Some sort of fiber. Hey, maybe this filter is the cat's meow.... but the pleated filter is in my "comfort zone".

It's interesting that Yamaha uses the old-style cartridge filter on their V-Star bikes. You know - remove a side plate, pull out the pleated cartridge and re-install. Why they don't use a "spin-on" is a mystery, at least to me.

I'd be happy to use the OEM Honda on my Yamaha bikes if I could find a cross-reference. No luck - so far.

 

[TucsonDon]

Originally Posted By: kballowe
It's interesting that Yamaha uses the old-style cartridge filter on their V-Star bikes. You know - remove a side plate, pull out the pleated cartridge and re-install. Why they don't use a "spin-on" is a mystery, at least to me.

I recently acquired a 2006 Hyundai Sonata V6 (3.3 liter) and it too has the catridge style filter, not a spin on. The good news is the filter is accessible from the top of the engine. The bad news is the filter has two O-rings that need to be fiddled with, and frankly my confidence in the folks at Jiffy-Lube to do that right just isn't all that high. So for now, I'm having the Hyundai dealer do the oil changes.

(I'd try to do it myself, but I don't have a lift and that darn car has about a 4" clearance.)

Anyway, the point is -- there must be *some* advantage to the cartridge style, otherwise why would anyone (including Hyundai) use it?

 

[Lost1]

Originally Posted By: TucsonDon
Originally Posted By: kballowe
It's interesting that Yamaha uses the old-style cartridge filter on their V-Star bikes. You know - remove a side plate, pull out the pleated cartridge and re-install. Why they don't use a "spin-on" is a mystery, at least to me.

I recently acquired a 2006 Hyundai Sonata V6 (3.3 liter) and it too has the catridge style filter, not a spin on. The good news is the filter is accessible from the top of the engine. The bad news is the filter has two O-rings that need to be fiddled with, and frankly my confidence in the folks at Jiffy-Lube to do that right just isn't all that high. So for now, I'm having the Hyundai dealer do the oil changes.

(I'd try to do it myself, but I don't have a lift and that darn car has about a 4" clearance.)

Anyway, the point is -- there must be *some* advantage to the cartridge style, otherwise why would anyone (including Hyundai) use it?

Chevy uses the cartridge-type filter on the Cobalt SS as well, and it too is easily accessible at the top front of the engine. That's the bomb- no crawling underneath to do battle with an overtightened spin-on. Wish more car companies would follow suit...

 

[PT1]

Originally Posted By: kballowe
I use the Genuine Harley filters for my Harleys.

Any thoughts?





I only use the Harley filters on my bike as well. You can get them from Zanotti's or Chicago HD at a reasonable price. I am concerned about the level of filtration and bypass pressure with an automotive filter vs the one spec'ed by HD for my TC88. Not worth an engine damage problem to save $2. IMHO

 

[dwendt44]

What year and what model Yamaha are we talking about?
I have a Purolator cross reference catalog-older but useful.

 

[kballowe]

Originally Posted By: dwendt44
What year and what model Yamaha are we talking about?
I have a Purolator cross reference catalog-older but useful.


Oh, I already have the part number.

Really was just wondering if anyone was using any Purolator filters on motorcycles.

Thanks

 

[02zx9r]

Use Pure one pl 14610 on my zx9r. No problems.

 

[Lost1]

I use only H-D filters on my three Harleys. The black 5-micron filter is only $8 from my dealer and I don't have to worry about bypass pressure, media quality, etc.

 

[tmcafe]

I've purchased recently Purolator L10241 for my V11 Goose. Haven't used any yet, but got this tip from a V11 owner, a retired design engineer who's very careful about anything like lubrication pressure, filters, etc. He's praising Purolator in general and seems totally happy with his choice of filter. YMMV.

 

[Drew2000]

Most Asian bikes (at least the higher perfomance ones) have the oil pressure relief valve built into the engine. Either way a few pounds bypass difference won't cause any problems.

I've been using the PL14610 exclusivly on both my '03 Yamaha FZ1 (15k miles) and '05 Honda ST1300 (30k miles). I ride the bikes hard, and oil reports have been excellent on both.

Face reality. Most liquid-cooled Asian bikes will run forever on almost any dino or syn oil if changed at reasonable intervals. Most of these bikes will be wrecked/sold/abandoned behind the garage long before the engine wears out. Dedicated sport/tourers have racked up 200,000+ miles on various bikes with no engine problems due to wear.

Ride more, worry less.

Drew

 

[TucsonDon]

Originally Posted By: Drew2000
Face reality. Most liquid-cooled Asian bikes will run forever on almost any dino or syn oil if changed at reasonable intervals.

You heretic. To suggest that an engine does not quiver on the edge of destruction based on the difference of a few parts per million of ZDDP is pure heresy.

Where's your sense of fun, man?

 

[kballowe]

Originally Posted By: TucsonDon
Originally Posted By: Drew2000
Face reality. Most liquid-cooled Asian bikes will run forever on almost any dino or syn oil if changed at reasonable intervals.

You heretic. To suggest that an engine does not quiver on the edge of destruction based on the difference of a few parts per million of ZDDP is pure heresy.

Where's your sense of fun, man?

YEAH!!! What HE said.

I see we have some non-believers......but that, too, may be remedied

Many moons ago in a place far, far away I worked evenings and weekends for a local Honda/Yamaha dealer whilst a young Marine. Oil and filters were not anything like what we have today and those engines ran a long, long time. Most of us were just running Castrol 10W-40 and whatever filter would screw on the bike. A lot had the old cartridge style filters. As long as the fit was "close", we used it. Saw bikes that hadn't had the oil changed in several years. One fella just changed the filter once a year.

Now they tell us to buy $10 a quart oil and $15 oil filters or we'll ruin our expensive toys.

Now where did I put that bottle of ZDDP additive???????

 

[Lost1]

Many a Suzuki GS, Honda CB, and Kawasaki KZ rolled past 100k on el-cheapo dino & no-name filters...

 

[TucsonDon]

Originally Posted By: kballowe
Oil and filters were not anything like what we have today and those engines ran a long, long time. Most of us were just running Castrol 10W-40 and whatever filter would screw on the bike. A lot had the old cartridge style filters.

Back in the very early 1970's we had a Honda CL70. I can't recall that the thing even had an oil filter. And in the several years we had that, I can't recall ever changing the oil. My father may have changed the oil in the winter. And my guess is he put whatever cost the least into the thing.

It ran and ran and ran.

That was a fun little bike.

 

[kballowe]

Originally Posted By: TucsonDon
Originally Posted By: kballowe
Oil and filters were not anything like what we have today and those engines ran a long, long time. Most of us were just running Castrol 10W-40 and whatever filter would screw on the bike. A lot had the old cartridge style filters.

Back in the very early 1970's we had a Honda CL70. I can't recall that the thing even had an oil filter. And in the several years we had that, I can't recall ever changing the oil. My father may have changed the oil in the winter. And my guess is he put whatever cost the least into the thing.

It ran and ran and ran.

That was a fun little bike.


You had a CL70? I got ya! Here is the first bike I bought brand new in 1972 with my lawn-mowing money. A 1971 SL100 at the amazing low price of $467.

Come to think about it..... don't think this one had an oil filter, either.

And my very first bike - 1968 Honda CB160