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just wanted to relate something that happen to me with a purolator standard red filter. this is the first time i've used this filter. after installing this filter my engine started to tick very loudly when cold. i mean loudly. thought i had a lifter going bad. after a 1000 miles i change the oil again and used a ac delco filter, ticking gone ! what do you think about this ?
 
Originally Posted By: hardheaded
just wanted to relate something that happen to me with a purolator standard red filter. this is the first time i've used this filter. after installing this filter my engine started to tick very loudly when cold. i mean loudly. thought i had a lifter going bad. after a 1000 miles i change the oil again and used a ac delco filter, ticking gone ! what do you think about this ?


Same oil both times? Was the oil pressure reading different?
Was it just a short duration ticking on startup? If so, could have been a bad anti-drainback valve on the filter. If it was a longer duration tick and the pressure was normal, then its nothing to do with the filter.
 
How do you know it wasn't the oil? You changed TWO components, oil, and the filter. Did you cut the filter arart to look for internal damage?
 
When I had a filter cause noise I changed just the filter as the oil was the same brand and weight it always got, noise gone so no doubt it was the filter.
As Stig pointed out you did both oil and filter so you really have no idea its a 50/50 chance.
 
Originally Posted By: hardheaded
just wanted to relate something that happen to me with a purolator standard red filter. this is the first time i've used this filter. after installing this filter my engine started to tick very loudly when cold. i mean loudly. thought i had a lifter going bad. after a 1000 miles i change the oil again and used a ac delco filter, ticking gone ! what do you think about this ?


Did you check the center tube louvers to see if they were nearly closed up?

He said he changed oil ... didn't specify one way or the other if it was a different oil.
 
same oil. the only thing that was different on the oil change was the filter. i normally use either mobil 1 or ac delco. this one was on sale with the oil. only a 1000 miles on the fresh oil and filter. this thing ticked for awhile when cold and was just kinda noisy all the time. i've had the car (2000 gran prix 3.8 ) 128,000 on since new. never any noise as it's been taken care of very well. i would start it and it would tack loudly. i could go out and rev it up a bit and still was tacking. after a while it would quiet down. i'm guessing a bad filter as that was the only thing different from the many oil changes i've done to this car. first time i've ever used this filter and the last. don't know what the pressure was, but i doubt there was anything wrong with the oil.
 
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Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Did you check the center tube louvers to see if they were nearly closed up?

That is an annoying trend, isn't it? I'm used to looking at a filter to make sure the right one is in the box, if there is a box, and to make sure it didn't get driven over or something stupid. But, having to carefully inspect something which should have been inspected at the factory is a little much, I think.
 
It could be a defective center tube or adbv. I had a similar clacking in a 02 Camry v6. The filter seemed fine except it had the tiny little bypass valve. Some purolators have that. Anyway the bypass valve may not flow enough if the filter is restrictive in some other way.
 
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Did you check the center tube louvers to see if they were nearly closed up?

That is an annoying trend, isn't it? I'm used to looking at a filter to make sure the right one is in the box, if there is a box, and to make sure it didn't get driven over or something stupid. But, having to carefully inspect something which should have been inspected at the factory is a little much, I think.


Yep, agree ... and just think how many people don't even know anything about oil filters and how they're designed. We've seen way too many closed up louver photos just posted in this forum to know it's happening quite often.
 
Originally Posted By: hardheaded
same oil. the only thing that was different on the oil change was the filter. i normally use either mobil 1 or ac delco. this one was on sale with the oil. only a 1000 miles on the fresh oil and filter. this thing ticked for awhile when cold and was just kinda noisy all the time. i've had the car (2000 gran prix 3.8 ) 128,000 on since new. never any noise as it's been taken care of very well. i would start it and it would tack loudly. i could go out and rev it up a bit and still was tacking. after a while it would quiet down. i'm guessing a bad filter as that was the only thing different from the many oil changes i've done to this car. first time i've ever used this filter and the last. don't know what the pressure was, but i doubt there was anything wrong with the oil.


Do you still have the old filter? If so, maybe you could take a photo of the center tube and post it. If the louvers barely have a slit of open air gap, it could be the problem since it's really noisy until the oil warms up and then goes down some, but still a little noisy even with hot oil.
 
Example of badly formed louvers. The openings are barely visible.

 
Originally Posted By: hardheaded
same oil. the only thing that was different on the oil change was the filter. i normally use either mobil 1 or ac delco. this one was on sale with the oil. only a 1000 miles on the fresh oil and filter. this thing ticked for awhile when cold and was just kinda noisy all the time. i've had the car (2000 gran prix 3.8 ) 128,000 on since new. never any noise as it's been taken care of very well. i would start it and it would tack loudly. i could go out and rev it up a bit and still was tacking. after a while it would quiet down. i'm guessing a bad filter as that was the only thing different from the many oil changes i've done to this car. first time i've ever used this filter and the last. don't know what the pressure was, but i doubt there was anything wrong with the oil.


I'd say bad filter then. I'm not one bit surprise based on their track record over the past few years.
 
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Did you check the center tube louvers to see if they were nearly closed up?

That is an annoying trend, isn't it? I'm used to looking at a filter to make sure the right one is in the box, if there is a box, and to make sure it didn't get driven over or something stupid. But, having to carefully inspect something which should have been inspected at the factory is a little much, I think.





Must be horrible listening to an engine starve for oil.





I dont see how you lasted the thousand miles.
 
I've had Purolator classics cause start up tick on my 2.2 side mount filter. Stopped using them and the pure-1's after a tear. Junk. Purolator and their clones are on my never ever buy list. Never tried their new lines and never will.
 
Used the pure 10111 filter with no problems,(think that was the number). Had to switch filters to nobody sells the pure around here anymore. Went with the ac Delco with anti drain back and all is still well. Pf45 I think. Car can "tick" no matter what with factory roller rockers in it upon startup for a few seconds. If there is a better oil filter with anti drain back then I'd consider it.
 
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Yep, agree ... and just think how many people don't even know anything about oil filters and how they're designed. We've seen way too many closed up louver photos just posted in this forum to know it's happening quite often.

Exactly. That's the worst part. Look at the 51358 I posted here some time ago. I didn't even think to look at something like that until I saw pictures posted here. Obviously, I didn't check it for closed louvers when I bought the thing, and I'm on here reading stuff all the time.

Fortunately, I caught it before installation. What chance does the average person have who's never heard of such a thing, or someone working at a lube shop, who doesn't have the time or inclination to minutely examine every filter he handles in a day?

If I can get a Baldwin with proper louvers for $6 from Acklands, of all places, surely Wix and others can handle some QC with their inflated prices. We've seen these louver problems in a few examples, and I'm surprised any of the manufacturers are standing for it.
 
Originally Posted By: mjoekingz28
Must be horrible listening to an engine starve for oil.





I dont see how you lasted the thousand miles.

I'm sure the bypass helped, but I do get your point. I don't see a lot of value in a filter that has to run in bypass all the time.
 
i went out andf looked at another purolator filter i have sitting on the shelve and the louvers are very tight in it. i threw it right in the trash.
 
Ah, yes, the typical thread ...
"Hey - something bad happened, but I took a shotgun and blasted a solution at it. What do you think the problem was?"

I agree at face value, the filter in the picture would be at least the first suspected cause.

Allow me to offer some advice with rational perspective.
Anytime someone suspects a filter is causing a ticking/noise/etc problem, do these, in this order:

1) don't panic and start changing stuff; think your way through this
2) go get another filter; check it and prep for install
3) remove the suspected filter; set aside but do NOT destroy, cut, weld, hit, bang, poke at it. Don't BITOG it; just have patience. Put it on the bench and carefully cover it up with care. Do NOT change the oil. Repeat, do NOT change the oil. One variable at a time, guys and gals.
4) install new filter; top off the oil to compensate the loss of filter volume; try to use something super comparable to what came out
5) start engine; listen; drive. Is it the same? Has it changed?
6) regardless if the noise came or went, prepare for more changes ...
7) take off "new" filter; reinstall "old" filter
8) refill again, test again, observe again
9) take off "old"; reinstall "new"
10) top off and test again

If the filter changes do not make the concern come and go, then put the old filter back on, and THEN change oil. See if that helps. I have been known to reuse oil when diagnosing. Just use a super-clean vessel to "catch and release" so to speak. Most of you are anal-retentive in your near-clinical approach to OCIs; why should there be concern?

Why do all this? Because if the first filter is really at fault, then you should be able to remove and install the "problem" and control the cause. If not, you've not found the issue yet. There is nothing in the filter that should be so sensitive that a simple remove/install will "fix" whatever you perceive is wrong. Doing so isn't going to realign the ADBV, or make a BP valve spring suddenly dislodge and re-seat, etc ...

Try to analyze the situation, and take one step at a time, and see if you can manipulate the effect by controlling the potential cause, one variable at a time.



Or, BITOG it with a shot-gun approach and never know for sure ....



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