Purchased a 2011 Nissan Leaf!

Good luck, you are braver than I am. The only Leaf I would consider is the one with the 60KWH battery that has over 200 miles of range. We live in the exurbs in the Austin area and 56 miles would not get us back home if we went into Central Austin. It's close to 30 miles one way to my office. I take the train to the office sometimes, it would get me to and from the train station, but I can't think of many other things it would be useful for. Only things that were in the immediate area of my house.
It's not really a matter of being brave. This car has more than double the range I need for day to day driving. Winter temps are quite moderate here. There will be range loss but not enough to impact our driving habits. Level 1 110v charging is working very well so far and it's clear I can get by on that nicely.

A lot of people tend to think along the lines of "I live in an area where I need more range than this car could provide, therefore it is a bad car and is no good for anyone. People in my country will not accept these cars". There are some areas, such as mine, that are not geographically large so the commutes are short. This Leaf, with 56 miles of range, gets us anywhere we need to go and I do not have to charge it every day.

We took a trip down to Washington State recently - if I had the Leaf......I would NOT have taken it. That would be silly. For other uses it's perfect for us.....
 
You’ve got a great use case for it and you get the benefits of BEV at a low cost of entry. Perfect for around town use. And maybe the aftermarket comes through with an economical life extension.
 
It's not really a matter of being brave. This car has more than double the range I need for day to day driving. Winter temps are quite moderate here. There will be range loss but not enough to impact our driving habits. Level 1 110v charging is working very well so far and it's clear I can get by on that nicely.

A lot of people tend to think along the lines of "I live in an area where I need more range than this car could provide, therefore it is a bad car and is no good for anyone. People in my country will not accept these cars". There are some areas, such as mine, that are not geographically large so the commutes are short. This Leaf, with 56 miles of range, gets us anywhere we need to go and I do not have to charge it every day.

We took a trip down to Washington State recently - if I had the Leaf......I would NOT have taken it. That would be silly. For other uses it's perfect for us.....
As @meep posted, you have a great use case for that car. It is also a good test of an EV; you may find they aren't for you or they are great. I bought our EV as a gift for wifey; kinda on a lark. Little did I know just how good this car is and how well it fits our use case. I thought Teslas were only for rich California granola heads; boy was I wrong.
 
It's not really a matter of being brave. This car has more than double the range I need for day to day driving. Winter temps are quite moderate here. There will be range loss but not enough to impact our driving habits. Level 1 110v charging is working very well so far and it's clear I can get by on that nicely.

A lot of people tend to think along the lines of "I live in an area where I need more range than this car could provide, therefore it is a bad car and is no good for anyone. People in my country will not accept these cars". There are some areas, such as mine, that are not geographically large so the commutes are short. This Leaf, with 56 miles of range, gets us anywhere we need to go and I do not have to charge it every day.

We took a trip down to Washington State recently - if I had the Leaf......I would NOT have taken it. That would be silly. For other uses it's perfect for us.....
I think people will trade / buy / sell their EVs more often than when they own just gas or hybrid cars because of a few reasons:

1) carpool lane stickers / permits that are year based. Many people lease every couple years to get that to commute long distance outside of traffic jam. Overpaying? Sure, but that's still a good value when they can live further away in a more affordable home.

2) when they sell because they get a job that need more range, but not because of carpool lane stickers

3) when they can get an EV but don't want to overpay, so they buy used from 1) and 2) above

4) when they just want a cheap car for their kids or they just want a grocery getter to supplement a long distance commuter / family van for vacations. They don't need a lot of range, and they only need maybe 20 miles, cheap to insure, not powerful, don't care if they crash it kind of car.

It makes more sense to change hands more often than to have everyone pay for a long range EV to sit and depreciate.
 
IIRC the first Gen Leaf (all the way up to pre 2023 models) had the now defunct CHAdeMO DCFC interface?

Or is it like early Bolt's, where DCFC was an extra cost option?
 
IIRC the first Gen Leaf (all the way up to pre 2023 models) had the now defunct CHAdeMO DCFC interface?

Or is it like early Bolt's, where DCFC was an extra cost option?
I believe fast charging was an option, though most I’ve seen do have the CHAdeMO port, including mine.

Chademo is obviously dead. If I had any plans to take trips I would not go for a car with an obsolete charging port. Every charger I’m aware of in my area does have Chademo but I’ll probably only use it once or twice soon to make sure it works.
 
As @meep posted, you have a great use case for that car. It is also a good test of an EV; you may find they aren't for you or they are great. I bought our EV as a gift for wifey; kinda on a lark. Little did I know just how good this car is and how well it fits our use case. I thought Teslas were only for rich California granola heads; boy was I wrong.
A few things we’ve noticed so far:

Effortless acceleration for passing. Much smoother and easier in this scenario than the Frontier or CRV.

Extremely quiet. I forgot I was in an EV a couple of times and was worried it had stalled at lights.

We can run the AC while parked, without having to idle.

Daily electrical usage so far shows our standard driving will cost $30 to $40/mth CAD

I’ll always keep, at a minimum, my ‘65 Mercury half ton. I don’t see myself ever being without an old truck of some sort.
 
It's not really a matter of being brave. This car has more than double the range I need for day to day driving. Winter temps are quite moderate here. There will be range loss but not enough to impact our driving habits. Level 1 110v charging is working very well so far and it's clear I can get by on that nicely.

A lot of people tend to think along the lines of "I live in an area where I need more range than this car could provide, therefore it is a bad car and is no good for anyone. People in my country will not accept these cars". There are some areas, such as mine, that are not geographically large so the commutes are short. This Leaf, with 56 miles of range, gets us anywhere we need to go and I do not have to charge it every day.

We took a trip down to Washington State recently - if I had the Leaf......I would NOT have taken it. That would be silly. For other uses it's perfect for us.....
Let's level set here.

I have been to Victoria, BC within the past 2 years, and not only that, I rented a bicycle to ride around the city and sightsee because of the moderate summertime temperatures made that possible. I can see how 56 miles range would work for you. The city is not large in population or size. It was a joy in fact to ride around on my rental bike, but that's another thread. I suppose I could tell you to just get a cargo bike, but it would not be pleasant on cold damp days in the wintertime going to the grocery store.

It would probably be fine in my hometown too of Corvallis, Oregon. As long as you were paying attention, you could probably take a run to the next city over, Albany, OR, (or one of the other nearby cities that are just squashed tomatoes on the map) as long as you didn't combine it with other additional trips. We're talking in the 30 mile range round trip in the central Willamette Valley type stuff, some summertime trips that I took BY BIKE as a tweener and an early teenager, just because we were bored and wanted to go places. It would require some thinking but you could make it work fine with a 56 mile EV. Monroe, OR (to go to my favorite winery near Corvallis) would be pushing it, 40-45 round trip range. Anything else like Salem or Eugene would be a no, they are over 40 miles one way.

I am looking for an EV to replace the Navigator in my signature, that's a reasonable price. I don't hardly ever take trips out of town, but for things that I do, your 56 mile EV would not work for me. I live out in the sticks in Central Texas, the closest major metro nearby is Austin.

  • Going to the airport for a drop off: roughly 80 miles roundtrip to Austin or Killeen airports.
  • Going to the office: 58 miles round trip to the city office. There are L2 chargers available but they are often full in the daytime
  • Puttering around the suburbs on weekends - I put together multiple round trips on Google Maps that I might do on weekends in the suburbs, visiting relatives, going shopping, parties/gatherings, etc and those are often more than 50 miles all said. There are DCFC around in the Austin suburbs, but I don't want to have to stop and charge just to complete my errands and social calendar.

Therefore, 56 miles of range would not work for me for probably 90% of the trips I do with my Navigator, and even less so with my wife's Outlander, which we take further afield. It doesn't mean an old Leaf is a bad car, it just means it would not work for my use case as my is right now. Maybe and just MAYBE I could live with the newer Leaf that has 40Kwh and the battery was not degraded too much.

But realistically I would like to have 220+ miles range, that could get me to a weekend trip to say Fredericksburg which is rougly 180 miles, which we currently take the Outlander for doing things like that. If I drive the Outlander conservatively I can get 30mpg, if I drive 75, 27-28mpg. Prime example of why 220+ range would be much more useful: We rented a ranch outside of Fredericksburg recently for 16 people for a major family milestone, for 3 days. Leaving home with a full charge plus topping off with L1 charging while at the ranch would have been fine for the round trip to Fredricksburg plus doing a few runs into town for restaurants. Could have taken the EV and left the Outlander at home in that case and it would have worked.

We have gone to Kerrville on weekend trips in the last year and that might work also with 220+ miles, but I'd definitely at least need access to an L1 plug, or, the Kerrville Convention and Visitors Bureau has two 62kW chargers and there are some restaurants within walking distance. So, easy.

56 miles would work fine if I had a teenager and I didn't want them to get very far, the old high school is within range of two trips back and forth and the new one will probably allow 3 trips back and forth with 56 miles range, or two trips and a run into one of the nearby hamlets. But anyway.
 
Let's level set here.

I have been to Victoria, BC within the past 2 years, and not only that, I rented a bicycle to ride around the city and sightsee because of the moderate summertime temperatures made that possible. I can see how 56 miles range would work for you. The city is not large in population or size. It was a joy in fact to ride around on my rental bike, but that's another thread. I suppose I could tell you to just get a cargo bike, but it would not be pleasant on cold damp days in the wintertime going to the grocery store.

It would probably be fine in my hometown too of Corvallis, Oregon. As long as you were paying attention, you could probably take a run to the next city over, Albany, OR, (or one of the other nearby cities that are just squashed tomatoes on the map) as long as you didn't combine it with other additional trips. We're talking in the 30 mile range round trip in the central Willamette Valley type stuff, some summertime trips that I took BY BIKE as a tweener and an early teenager, just because we were bored and wanted to go places. It would require some thinking but you could make it work fine with a 56 mile EV. Monroe, OR (to go to my favorite winery near Corvallis) would be pushing it, 40-45 round trip range. Anything else like Salem or Eugene would be a no, they are over 40 miles one way.

I am looking for an EV to replace the Navigator in my signature, that's a reasonable price. I don't hardly ever take trips out of town, but for things that I do, your 56 mile EV would not work for me. I live out in the sticks in Central Texas, the closest major metro nearby is Austin.

  • Going to the airport for a drop off: roughly 80 miles roundtrip to Austin or Killeen airports.
  • Going to the office: 58 miles round trip to the city office. There are L2 chargers available but they are often full in the daytime
  • Puttering around the suburbs on weekends - I put together multiple round trips on Google Maps that I might do on weekends in the suburbs, visiting relatives, going shopping, parties/gatherings, etc and those are often more than 50 miles all said. There are DCFC around in the Austin suburbs, but I don't want to have to stop and charge just to complete my errands and social calendar.

Therefore, 56 miles of range would not work for me for probably 90% of the trips I do with my Navigator, and even less so with my wife's Outlander, which we take further afield. It doesn't mean an old Leaf is a bad car, it just means it would not work for my use case as my is right now. Maybe and just MAYBE I could live with the newer Leaf that has 40Kwh and the battery was not degraded too much.

But realistically I would like to have 220+ miles range, that could get me to a weekend trip to say Fredericksburg which is rougly 180 miles, which we currently take the Outlander for doing things like that. If I drive the Outlander conservatively I can get 30mpg, if I drive 75, 27-28mpg. Prime example of why 220+ range would be much more useful: We rented a ranch outside of Fredericksburg recently for 16 people for a major family milestone, for 3 days. Leaving home with a full charge plus topping off with L1 charging while at the ranch would have been fine for the round trip to Fredricksburg plus doing a few runs into town for restaurants. Could have taken the EV and left the Outlander at home in that case and it would have worked.

We have gone to Kerrville on weekend trips in the last year and that might work also with 220+ miles, but I'd definitely at least need access to an L1 plug, or, the Kerrville Convention and Visitors Bureau has two 62kW chargers and there are some restaurants within walking distance. So, easy.

56 miles would work fine if I had a teenager and I didn't want them to get very far, the old high school is within range of two trips back and forth and the new one will probably allow 3 trips back and forth with 56 miles range, or two trips and a run into one of the nearby hamlets. But anyway.
All very reasonable. BTW, if my budget had been higher I would have got a Bolt or lower end Tesla...
 
Most people drive about 30 miles per day, but if you drove 150 miles at a crack this car would be painful.
I drive 50-80 miles at a crack, that is the issue for me with this car. The rest of the time the Navigator sits at home except in special circumstances, it only costs me for license tag ($75), inspection ($18.50 and going away in 25) and liability only insurance when I'm not using it.
 
So far so good!

Level 1 (110v) charging is more than adequate for this car with our usage. I have only left it plugged in overnight once but otherwise usually charge from early evening to bedtime and that covers it. It's extremely efficient when my wife drives it...less so when I'm behind the wheel 😂

When you're on the highway and up to speed you can almost see the range estimate going down moment by moment. This car is not a road tripper, though I would be OK to go to Vancouver and back as long as I charge overnight when staying there. My wife and I both find ourselves driving it whenever we have the choice, both for gas savings and because it's a nice car to drive.

I'm going to want to replace the sway bar bushings - not urgent but they're ready. The parts are cheap but it looks like a bit of an involved job. I'm seeing people say the labour is big on the job due to the need to lower the electric motor - I think I'll probably tackle that myself when the time is right. Otherwise I'll change the gearbox oil and install a third party monitoring system for remote app control...and it's good to go.
 
So far so good!

Level 1 (110v) charging is more than adequate for this car with our usage. I have only left it plugged in overnight once but otherwise usually charge from early evening to bedtime and that covers it. It's extremely efficient when my wife drives it...less so when I'm behind the wheel 😂

When you're on the highway and up to speed you can almost see the range estimate going down moment by moment. This car is not a road tripper, though I would be OK to go to Vancouver and back as long as I charge overnight when staying there. My wife and I both find ourselves driving it whenever we have the choice, both for gas savings and because it's a nice car to drive.

I'm going to want to replace the sway bar bushings - not urgent but they're ready. The parts are cheap but it looks like a bit of an involved job. I'm seeing people say the labour is big on the job due to the need to lower the electric motor - I think I'll probably tackle that myself when the time is right. Otherwise I'll change the gearbox oil and install a third party monitoring system for remote app control...and it's good to go.
Yeah it's not working for us at all on L1 with our 2023 Mach-E. I'm putting in L2, ASAP. My wife clearly drives at lot more than I thought.
 
Yeah it's not working for us at all on L1 with our 2023 Mach-E. I'm putting in L2, ASAP. My wife clearly drives at lot more than I thought.
I could see how that could happen. If you're putting on more than 50 miles a day it's possible that you'd trend in the wrong direction with overnight L1 charging. It was adequate for us, but I'm happy to have L2 now. I would need it anyway if it was my daily. It's only a matter of time before I daily an EV at this rate.
 
Yeah it's not working for us at all on L1 with our 2023 Mach-E. I'm putting in L2, ASAP. My wife clearly drives at lot more than I thought.
I probably benefit from having a small battery (with around 70% life) and generally low miles. It gets used daily but not too far.....I suspect if I had a Bolt or anything else out there with a bigger battery I'd strongly consider L2.
 
I could see how that could happen. If you're putting on more than 50 miles a day it's possible that you'd trend in the wrong direction with overnight L1 charging. It was adequate for us, but I'm happy to have L2 now. I would need it anyway if it was my daily. It's only a matter of time before I daily an EV at this rate.
Yeah, the problem is I based my thinking on my duty cycle and not hers, plus it was a different vehicle with a larger battery that I based it on (my parents ID.4). I work from home and on my Navigator I have put less than 30,000 miles on in, in close to 4 years of ownership - purchased September 2020, so 3 years and 10 months. It's fine though, we will adapt. She loves the car and that was one of the biggest hurdles.
 
Yeah, the problem is I based my thinking on my duty cycle and not hers, plus it was a different vehicle with a larger battery that I based it on (my parents ID.4). I work from home and on my Navigator I have put less than 30,000 miles on in, in close to 4 years of ownership - purchased September 2020, so 3 years and 10 months. It's fine though, we will adapt. She loves the car and that was one of the biggest hurdles.
Yeah, there can be small growing pains while getting settled in with new tech. Like I said before we were fine with L1, but on days where we did a lot of driving and ran it low it would take a couple of overnights to get back to full while using it during the day for in town driving. It never caused us a problem and never reduced our usage, but I could have seen as a problem if we ever had an emergency that required immediately driving 200 miles. Rare scenario but the L2 upgrade gave us peace of mind. It's why we've never let the car go below 35% unless we're doing extended drives and haven't given that up even though we have L2 now. An old habit at this point.
 
I found myself a bit far from home today and didn’t think I’d make it back without charging. This was my first fast charging session, other than a quick start and stop to make sure it worked after I got the car.

This comes to $1.28USD.

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