Prioritizing Repairs on 2001 Civic

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I was at a friend's house doing an ATF change on his 2012 Prius when his gf's daughter asked me to look at her 2001 Civic.

Her concerns were as follows: 1) Loud clunk from the right-side of the car (whenever she drove over a pothole), 2) Car pulls to the right - hard.

I looked the car over and these were the items that I found. Keep in mind that she is not the original owner, and the car does have 182,000 miles.

- Lower Control Arm bushings are torn (lower front bushing). I pried against the arm and the entire arm moves up/down by about 1".
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- Sway Bar End Links. When I pried against the bar, there is a bit of movement from the end links. This might be a contributor to the complaint about the "clunk."

- Outer tie rod ends. No play, but the boots are leaking quite a bit of grease.

- Lower Ball Joints. Again, no play, but the boots are leaking quite a bit of grease.

- Leaking oil pan gasket. I would consider the leak to be moderate-to-severe.

- Leaking valve cover gasket. I would say the leak is minor to moderate. However, if the timing belt needs to be done, then this is no longer a separate repair item.

- Side engine mount. I pried between the side engine mount and the engine, and the engine moves quite a bit. The rubber in the mount appeared to have some cracks.

- Lower engine mount, front. There is a lot of movement here as well, unless it is caused by the side mount.

- Rear engine mount. See above, same story as the other mounts.

- No prior service history on the timing belt, but drive belts (esp P/S) have a lot of cracks. So, it could be very due for a new timing belt, valve adjustment and spark plugs.

- Slight leak coming from the L/R wheel cylinder.

The dipstick also showed no oil, and when we changed the oil, less than 2 qt came out. According to what's written on the filter, the last change may have been in Mar 2011.
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The front tires were also bald and worn irregularly, which is likely due to the worn control arm bushings. The struts were done last year with KYB Excel-G units and appeared to be OK at this time (no leaks).

Surprisingly, no warning lights were on, and the car runs perfectly fine.

My thoughts are that the car is not safe the drive, and replacing the control arm bushings should be the top priority. However, I would like some other opinions on prioritizing the repairs.

Given the poor maintenance, I also said that this may be a good time to send the car to the boneyard, as an engine or transmission failure in the immediate future is not unlikely.

Thanks in advance.
 
Suspension components, tires,, drive/timing belts, gaskets, motor mounts.

Engine is likely good, if it was kept topped off. The "normal" interval for these cars is 10k/1yr. As for the filter... who knows.

My civic makes some clunk/clicky noises and the front MM is shredded. One day ill get around to doing something about it.
 
Gas n go!

I would do the LCA bushings first so you'd look like a wizard then go for the motor work and belts.

The mounts, rod ends, and ball joints you can leave a while longer. Don't want to overwhelm her all at once. Advise on them however.

I'm going to sound heartless or irresponsible but sometimes wheel cylinders weep and you can get away with it. But they're cheap and easy to replace.
 
Yikes. A young gal driving a car with multiple impending failures. I hope she doesn't drive any place that would be dangerous for her to break down alone.

I would deem it unsafe and park it if it were up to me. At least until the suspension, tires, and belts are done.

I agree on the order of repairs: suspension (alignment), tires, belts, gaskets, motor mounts.

At that point, it may be worth junking it and trying to find another car, but with fewer miles and some maintenance history.
 
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The car doesn't have to be junked because it runs well and, Isn't the poor maintenance caused by her (current owner)? She would damage a new one. Often women& car maintenance don't go along.
 
Suspension bits first. Then the wheel cylinder, then if the engine hasn't destructed yet, go for the timing belt.
 
The ball joint and tie rod boots are serviced individually.

I would do tires, wc and all suspension work + alignment

Timing belt kit (includes belts, water pump, vc gasket) and oil pan gasket.

When you do the timing belt you can reassess the physical condition of the mount.

OEM parts are not that expensive for this, if it is a decent car it is worth fixing.
 
The control arm is structural. Bad bushings will stress out the entire suspension including any new parts you put on. For the suspension start at the control arm bushings working outward to ball joints, tie rod ends and links.
 
Having some experience with the same year model vehicle since new now with ~185k, the referenced 01 Civic sounds like it's been rode hard(very) and put up wet. No front end work done/needed on our 01 since new. Original struts may be getting a bit springy but nothing that seriously affects ride or tire wear. Everything front end original including CV boots.

I'll defer to others but corrective front end does work does sound like a priority. Also, if you can't assume that TB/WP service was done at least once then it too is an immediate priority imo along with drive belts, valve cover leak at same time. If this model has a cam plug at end of valve cover (likely), that is a more likely source of leak then cover gasket itself, very common. Can also be done with TB/WP service. Based on my experience, don't understand cause of oil pan gasket leak.

Based on my experience with original struts, have to wonder if recent strut installation is responsible for or major contributor to the multiple front end issues now.

If an AT I'd do a simple ATF d&f, then go on a ~15k interval for awhile, inexpensive and relatively easy service.

Oil sump not very big anyway, 3.5-3.7 qt.s, so seeing only 2qts. on drain isn't that shocking but still not great for regular occurrence. Keeping the sump close to full is good idea in this vehicle.

Other things can be done over time imo.
 
If I were to take it to my mechanic it would be about $3k parts+labor. What other $3k used cars are around?
(You'd get some money from the junker for the old Civic, but would have to spend that money on odd fixes for the $3k used car.)
 
I replaced those fca bushings on my '01 Civic. I have a press, and it was still a pain. Probably why replacement lower control arms are so popular these days.
 
I would do it all and bring the car up to where it needs to be safe and able to make it another 50-100k. But first have a chat with the owner as to the cost/value of these repairs. The 2 quarts low in the sump is a real concern.
 
You already did the oil change. I'd go in the following order:

1) tires
2) wheel cylinder (or any other brake items)
3) timing belt / water pump / acc belts / valve cover gasket
4a) control arm and any suspension / steering parts that need alignment
4b) those grease leaking but no play suspension parts. Recommend to be done with 4a) above.
5) Engine mounts
6) optional: oil pan gasket


You didn't mention new struts last night. Which make sense now that LCA is bad: they last guy didn't tighten the bushing loaded and did that on the jack stand / lift, so now it is shot.
 
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Thanks guys.

I don't see how the strut replacement could have damaged the front bushings. I also was not the one who did the strut replacement.
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I talked to my buddy, who talked to the "owner" of the car. Parts are being ordered from RockAuto, and this is what we have in store for later this month:

- Dorman lower control arm assemblies - $41/ea

- Beck/Arnley sway bar end links - $12/ea

- Beck/Arnley outer tie rod ends - $19/ea

- Beck/Arnley lower ball joints - $21/ea

- Moog "problem-solver" sway bar bushings - $4

- Dayco W alternator belt - $9

- Dayco W a/c belt - $7

So, it's getting a full suspension overhaul, new drive belts, two new junk tires and an alignment. I am taking eljefino's advice about the wheel cylinders since the L/R was barely leaking.

I will keep this thread updated. Hopefully the car doesn't crash into a wall between now and then. Thanks again, guys.
 
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I didn't read anywhere in this thread where one poster even implied that a specific known individual did said strut replacement?
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And while the front bushings may not have occurred with the strut replacement, the amount of front end issues/damage in totality seems excessive to me based on owning the same year model with similar mileage and no front end issues issues and original equipment. Also makes wonder if said vehicle has been hit in the front end at some point. Whatever, clearly a poorly maintained vehicle.

Good luck.
 
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