PQIA's Synthetics - Part Three
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Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: buster
Pennzoil Ultra is the numbers king.
WHY would you say that? Its certainly good, but "king?" Not of anything except NOACK. Its thinner on all the viscosity numbers than M1 (not necessarily a bad thing). You could even argue that its more nearly in the middle of the spec window than some others, but still the only clear "king" factor I see is NOACK. And yes, it wins that one by a mile.
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Originally Posted By: buster
Pennzoil Ultra is the numbers king.
WHY would you say that? Its certainly good, but "king?" Not of anything except NOACK. Its thinner on all the viscosity numbers than M1 (not necessarily a bad thing). You could even argue that its more nearly in the middle of the spec window than some others, but still the only clear "king" factor I see is NOACK. And yes, it wins that one by a mile.
Lowest volatility, mrv #'s, PP, and top notch Seq IVA/IIIG performance.
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Originally Posted By: Topo
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: buster
Pennzoil Ultra is the numbers king.
WHY would you say that? Its certainly good, but "king?" Not of anything except NOACK. Its thinner on all the viscosity numbers than M1 (not necessarily a bad thing). You could even argue that its more nearly in the middle of the spec window than some others, but still the only clear "king" factor I see is NOACK. And yes, it wins that one by a mile.
I ran the premium royal purple in my car which has and outstanding Noak, yet my car burned 2.25 quarts in 6,000 miles, worst I have ever seen on my vehicle. So sometimes Noak isn't everything, would you agree?
We have NOACK figures for the other version of RP?
For their XPR series, all I see is this:
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Royal Purple does not provide physical specifications on its racing products. Please consult Royal Purple’s automotive
technical support department at 281-354-8600 or 888-382-6300 to determine which racing oil is right for you.
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: buster
Pennzoil Ultra is the numbers king.
WHY would you say that? Its certainly good, but "king?" Not of anything except NOACK. Its thinner on all the viscosity numbers than M1 (not necessarily a bad thing). You could even argue that its more nearly in the middle of the spec window than some others, but still the only clear "king" factor I see is NOACK. And yes, it wins that one by a mile.
I ran the premium royal purple in my car which has and outstanding Noak, yet my car burned 2.25 quarts in 6,000 miles, worst I have ever seen on my vehicle. So sometimes Noak isn't everything, would you agree?
We have NOACK figures for the other version of RP?
For their XPR series, all I see is this:
Quote:
Royal Purple does not provide physical specifications on its racing products. Please consult Royal Purple’s automotive
technical support department at 281-354-8600 or 888-382-6300 to determine which racing oil is right for you.
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Originally Posted By: Topo
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: buster
Pennzoil Ultra is the numbers king.
WHY would you say that? Its certainly good, but "king?" Not of anything except NOACK. Its thinner on all the viscosity numbers than M1 (not necessarily a bad thing). You could even argue that its more nearly in the middle of the spec window than some others, but still the only clear "king" factor I see is NOACK. And yes, it wins that one by a mile.
I ran the premium royal purple in my car which has and outstanding Noak, yet my car burned 2.25 quarts in 6,000 miles, worst I have ever seen on my vehicle. So sometimes Noak isn't everything, would you agree?
We have NOACK figures for the other version of RP?
For their XPR series, all I see is this:
Quote:
Royal Purple does not provide physical specifications on its racing products. Please consult Royal Purple’s automotive
technical support department at 281-354-8600 or 888-382-6300 to determine which racing oil is right for you.
I'm talking about there SL Rated Version with Synerlec, prior to coming out with a SN version. Not their racing oils.
Originally Posted By: Topo
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: buster
Pennzoil Ultra is the numbers king.
WHY would you say that? Its certainly good, but "king?" Not of anything except NOACK. Its thinner on all the viscosity numbers than M1 (not necessarily a bad thing). You could even argue that its more nearly in the middle of the spec window than some others, but still the only clear "king" factor I see is NOACK. And yes, it wins that one by a mile.
I ran the premium royal purple in my car which has and outstanding Noak, yet my car burned 2.25 quarts in 6,000 miles, worst I have ever seen on my vehicle. So sometimes Noak isn't everything, would you agree?
We have NOACK figures for the other version of RP?
For their XPR series, all I see is this:
Quote:
Royal Purple does not provide physical specifications on its racing products. Please consult Royal Purple’s automotive
technical support department at 281-354-8600 or 888-382-6300 to determine which racing oil is right for you.
I'm talking about there SL Rated Version with Synerlec, prior to coming out with a SN version. Not their racing oils.
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Originally Posted By: Topo
I'm talking about there SL Rated Version with Synerlec, prior to coming out with a SN version. Not their racing oils.
OK, do you have a PDS? I see they have the "Synerlec" street oils in the side, but the data sheet has no technical information as part of it
I'm talking about there SL Rated Version with Synerlec, prior to coming out with a SN version. Not their racing oils.
OK, do you have a PDS? I see they have the "Synerlec" street oils in the side, but the data sheet has no technical information as part of it
Originally Posted By: martinq
Looks like Formula Shell is added to the trimer-moly users list. Also do not see a reason to pick Royal Purple over the Shell.
Even if the price was equal across the board I'd easily pick the Shell offering from this bunch. It has the best flow AND the lowest NOACK.
I wouldn't judge the oil on numbers alone. Look at UOAs when making your decision, too.
Looks like Formula Shell is added to the trimer-moly users list. Also do not see a reason to pick Royal Purple over the Shell.
Even if the price was equal across the board I'd easily pick the Shell offering from this bunch. It has the best flow AND the lowest NOACK.
I wouldn't judge the oil on numbers alone. Look at UOAs when making your decision, too.
Originally Posted By: Topo
I'm talking about there SL Rated Version with Synerlec, prior to coming out with a SN version. Not their racing oils.
http://www.pqiamerica.com/November 2011 samples/RoyalPurple.htm
I'm talking about there SL Rated Version with Synerlec, prior to coming out with a SN version. Not their racing oils.
http://www.pqiamerica.com/November 2011 samples/RoyalPurple.htm
Yeah, what a disappointing appearance by Royal Purple, especially considering the price.
I know that they can't test every oil, but I really wish that they would have tested Mobil EP, since it is Ultra's and Edge's direct competitor and I'm sure it outsells both. Not too long ago this board was a viscocity index board and now it looks like the pendulum has swung and we are a Noack board, lol. Let me know when it swings again.
I know that they can't test every oil, but I really wish that they would have tested Mobil EP, since it is Ultra's and Edge's direct competitor and I'm sure it outsells both. Not too long ago this board was a viscocity index board and now it looks like the pendulum has swung and we are a Noack board, lol. Let me know when it swings again.
Originally Posted By: martinq
Originally Posted By: Indy
Great find martinq. Is there anything on synthetic 5w20 on their site or are they pretty much the same as 5w30.
Most of the main-brand 5w30s will also have a 5w20 version and the specs should be very similar. I searched PQIA but could only find one SAE 20 tested:
http://www.pqiamerica.com/Janaury 2012 test results/wolfshead.htm
No doubt we'll see some SAE 20 action in the future from them as it becomes more common.
Thankyou so much for your quik response and effort martinq for looking into it..very much appreciated..im happy what i see on PQIA you posted..keep up the good work
Originally Posted By: Indy
Great find martinq. Is there anything on synthetic 5w20 on their site or are they pretty much the same as 5w30.
Most of the main-brand 5w30s will also have a 5w20 version and the specs should be very similar. I searched PQIA but could only find one SAE 20 tested:
http://www.pqiamerica.com/Janaury 2012 test results/wolfshead.htm
No doubt we'll see some SAE 20 action in the future from them as it becomes more common.
Thankyou so much for your quik response and effort martinq for looking into it..very much appreciated..im happy what i see on PQIA you posted..keep up the good work
Originally Posted By: Tom NJ
Originally Posted By: Topo
I'm talking about there SL Rated Version with Synerlec, prior to coming out with a SN version. Not their racing oils.
http://www.pqiamerica.com/November 2011 samples/RoyalPurple.htm
Thanks, decent Noak. Great TBN..Never understood what's up with all the sulfur though.
Originally Posted By: Topo
I'm talking about there SL Rated Version with Synerlec, prior to coming out with a SN version. Not their racing oils.
http://www.pqiamerica.com/November 2011 samples/RoyalPurple.htm
Thanks, decent Noak. Great TBN..Never understood what's up with all the sulfur though.
Originally Posted By: dave1251
RP is about 8 dollars a quart and I bought FS synthetic for 3.50 a quart.
I haven't seen the FS synthetic here for a very long time. Some suspect that Canadian Tire's Formula 1 synthetic is the same thing (it is a SOPUS product after all).
@Topo: I think the SL RP's sulfur content had something to do with the Synerlec.
RP is about 8 dollars a quart and I bought FS synthetic for 3.50 a quart.
I haven't seen the FS synthetic here for a very long time. Some suspect that Canadian Tire's Formula 1 synthetic is the same thing (it is a SOPUS product after all).
@Topo: I think the SL RP's sulfur content had something to do with the Synerlec.
Originally Posted By: buster
Here is Amsoil:
http://www.pqiamerica.com/2012 April results/Amsoil.htm
No comments?? Looks like Amsoil is out of control
Here is Amsoil:
http://www.pqiamerica.com/2012 April results/Amsoil.htm
No comments?? Looks like Amsoil is out of control
the Amsoil looks excellent, but my walmart sells PU for $27 for 5qts. looking at it from that perspective its hard to pay $3-4 extra dollars a qt for amsoil.
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Originally Posted By: Tom NJ
Originally Posted By: Topo
I'm talking about there SL Rated Version with Synerlec, prior to coming out with a SN version. Not their racing oils.
http://www.pqiamerica.com/November 2011 samples/RoyalPurple.htm
Thanks Tom!
So a VI of 155, NOACK of 9.8% (for a 10w-30!), average phosphorous and Zinc, but look at that sulfur!!!
Originally Posted By: Topo
I'm talking about there SL Rated Version with Synerlec, prior to coming out with a SN version. Not their racing oils.
http://www.pqiamerica.com/November 2011 samples/RoyalPurple.htm
Thanks Tom!
So a VI of 155, NOACK of 9.8% (for a 10w-30!), average phosphorous and Zinc, but look at that sulfur!!!
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Originally Posted By: Topo
Originally Posted By: Tom NJ
Originally Posted By: Topo
I'm talking about there SL Rated Version with Synerlec, prior to coming out with a SN version. Not their racing oils.
http://www.pqiamerica.com/November 2011 samples/RoyalPurple.htm
Thanks, decent Noak. Great TBN..Never understood what's up with all the sulfur though.
Given that it was a 10w-30, the NOACK isn't that decent really. M1 0w-40, which has a massive visc spread in comparison and a MUCH higher VI, has a NOACK of 8.8%.
Originally Posted By: Tom NJ
Originally Posted By: Topo
I'm talking about there SL Rated Version with Synerlec, prior to coming out with a SN version. Not their racing oils.
http://www.pqiamerica.com/November 2011 samples/RoyalPurple.htm
Thanks, decent Noak. Great TBN..Never understood what's up with all the sulfur though.
Given that it was a 10w-30, the NOACK isn't that decent really. M1 0w-40, which has a massive visc spread in comparison and a MUCH higher VI, has a NOACK of 8.8%.
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Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: buster
Here is Amsoil:
http://www.pqiamerica.com/2012 April results/Amsoil.htm
No comments?? Looks like Amsoil is out of control
Yup, good VI and good NOACK
Originally Posted By: buster
Here is Amsoil:
http://www.pqiamerica.com/2012 April results/Amsoil.htm
No comments?? Looks like Amsoil is out of control
Yup, good VI and good NOACK
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