I see the Pennzoil platnium saying 46% cleanup on first oil change and some fancy art work on back? any info on if this oil cleans better than m1 or amsoil say? or would this be any synthetic oil i'm assuming it's a group 3?
PP 46% sludge cleanup claim is it really special?
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careful... the print says "up to 46%" - which could be anywhere from 0-46%. it does have alot of detergent additives in it - I dont recall the exact amount but you could compare in the virgin oil analysis section. many people here are able to view the engine innards thru the fill hole and have noticed good clensing from PP. yes, grp III
I just purchased a five-qt. jug of PP 5w-20, though I could not locate the rebate form anywhere at WalMart.
The back of the container, at the bottom, in real small print, says something along the line of "46% better cleaning than conventional or semi-synthetic oils."
So they aren't comparing themselves, cleaning capability-wise, to M-1 or Amsoil.
The back of the container, at the bottom, in real small print, says something along the line of "46% better cleaning than conventional or semi-synthetic oils."
So they aren't comparing themselves, cleaning capability-wise, to M-1 or Amsoil.
I see it purely as a marketing statement. PP, M1, Amsoil, just about any quality synthetic will have a significant cleaning effect over conventional. That, to me, is one of the benefits of synthetic lubricants.
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Originally Posted By: Dieseldoctor
I see the Pennzoil platnium saying 46% cleanup on first oil change and some fancy art work on back? any info on if this oil cleans better than m1 or amsoil say? or would this be any synthetic oil i'm assuming it's a group 3?
If you have that much sludge in your engine that you need 46% removed you got other problems... Otherwise it's just marketing like anything else.
Marketing-101:
1) Make the consumer think they have a problem that they need to address.
2) Sell them a product to address this false concern.
3) Make lots of money and laugh all the way to the bank
4) See step #1 again...
I see the Pennzoil platnium saying 46% cleanup on first oil change and some fancy art work on back? any info on if this oil cleans better than m1 or amsoil say? or would this be any synthetic oil i'm assuming it's a group 3?
If you have that much sludge in your engine that you need 46% removed you got other problems... Otherwise it's just marketing like anything else.
Marketing-101:
1) Make the consumer think they have a problem that they need to address.
2) Sell them a product to address this false concern.
3) Make lots of money and laugh all the way to the bank
4) See step #1 again...
Well, you do know that 72% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
Originally Posted By: ArrestMeRedZ
Well, you do know that 72% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
12 out of 10 statisticians agree with that statement.
Well, you do know that 72% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
12 out of 10 statisticians agree with that statement.
Marketing, just like 8X better, 4X better, etc etc.
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Now you guys are thinkin' with yer dipsticks! *WHIP*
Originally Posted By: StevieC
Originally Posted By: Dieseldoctor
I see the Pennzoil platnium saying 46% cleanup on first oil change and some fancy art work on back? any info on if this oil cleans better than m1 or amsoil say? or would this be any synthetic oil i'm assuming it's a group 3?
If you have that much sludge in your engine that you need 46% removed you got other problems... Otherwise it's just marketing like anything else.
Marketing-101:
1) Make the consumer think they have a problem that they need to address.
2) Sell them a product to address this false concern.
3) Make lots of money and laugh all the way to the bank
4) See step #1 again...
are you in marketing?....
Originally Posted By: Dieseldoctor
I see the Pennzoil platnium saying 46% cleanup on first oil change and some fancy art work on back? any info on if this oil cleans better than m1 or amsoil say? or would this be any synthetic oil i'm assuming it's a group 3?
If you have that much sludge in your engine that you need 46% removed you got other problems... Otherwise it's just marketing like anything else.
Marketing-101:
1) Make the consumer think they have a problem that they need to address.
2) Sell them a product to address this false concern.
3) Make lots of money and laugh all the way to the bank
4) See step #1 again...
are you in marketing?....
Originally Posted By: StevieC
Now you guys are thinkin' with yer dipsticks! *WHIP*
IMHO, those are stupid commercials. altho they do create an lasting impression. now, what brand of oil is that???? oh yeah, that stuff that started out near $40 a gallon
Now you guys are thinkin' with yer dipsticks! *WHIP*
IMHO, those are stupid commercials. altho they do create an lasting impression. now, what brand of oil is that???? oh yeah, that stuff that started out near $40 a gallon
Originally Posted By: tomcat27
Originally Posted By: StevieC
Originally Posted By: Dieseldoctor
I see the Pennzoil platnium saying 46% cleanup on first oil change and some fancy art work on back? any info on if this oil cleans better than m1 or amsoil say? or would this be any synthetic oil i'm assuming it's a group 3?
If you have that much sludge in your engine that you need 46% removed you got other problems... Otherwise it's just marketing like anything else.
Marketing-101:
1) Make the consumer think they have a problem that they need to address.
2) Sell them a product to address this false concern.
3) Make lots of money and laugh all the way to the bank
4) See step #1 again...
are you in marketing?....
God no... I have a heart and a conscience
Originally Posted By: StevieC
Originally Posted By: Dieseldoctor
I see the Pennzoil platnium saying 46% cleanup on first oil change and some fancy art work on back? any info on if this oil cleans better than m1 or amsoil say? or would this be any synthetic oil i'm assuming it's a group 3?
If you have that much sludge in your engine that you need 46% removed you got other problems... Otherwise it's just marketing like anything else.
Marketing-101:
1) Make the consumer think they have a problem that they need to address.
2) Sell them a product to address this false concern.
3) Make lots of money and laugh all the way to the bank
4) See step #1 again...
are you in marketing?....
God no... I have a heart and a conscience
Originally Posted By: StevieC
Originally Posted By: tomcat27
Originally Posted By: StevieC
Originally Posted By: Dieseldoctor
I see the Pennzoil platnium saying 46% cleanup on first oil change and some fancy art work on back? any info on if this oil cleans better than m1 or amsoil say? or would this be any synthetic oil i'm assuming it's a group 3?
If you have that much sludge in your engine that you need 46% removed you got other problems... Otherwise it's just marketing like anything else.
Marketing-101:
1) Make the consumer think they have a problem that they need to address.
2) Sell them a product to address this false concern.
3) Make lots of money and laugh all the way to the bank
4) See step #1 again...
are you in marketing?....
God no... I have a heart and a conscience
LOL!
Originally Posted By: tomcat27
Originally Posted By: StevieC
Originally Posted By: Dieseldoctor
I see the Pennzoil platnium saying 46% cleanup on first oil change and some fancy art work on back? any info on if this oil cleans better than m1 or amsoil say? or would this be any synthetic oil i'm assuming it's a group 3?
If you have that much sludge in your engine that you need 46% removed you got other problems... Otherwise it's just marketing like anything else.
Marketing-101:
1) Make the consumer think they have a problem that they need to address.
2) Sell them a product to address this false concern.
3) Make lots of money and laugh all the way to the bank
4) See step #1 again...
are you in marketing?....
God no... I have a heart and a conscience
LOL!
Originally Posted By: StevieC
Originally Posted By: Dieseldoctor
I see the Pennzoil platnium saying 46% cleanup on first oil change and some fancy art work on back? any info on if this oil cleans better than m1 or amsoil say? or would this be any synthetic oil i'm assuming it's a group 3?
If you have that much sludge in your engine that you need 46% removed you got other problems... Otherwise it's just marketing like anything else.
Marketing-101:
1) Make the consumer think they have a problem that they need to address.
2) Sell them a product to address this false concern.
3) Make lots of money and laugh all the way to the bank
4) See step #1 again...
There you go....
Originally Posted By: Dieseldoctor
I see the Pennzoil platnium saying 46% cleanup on first oil change and some fancy art work on back? any info on if this oil cleans better than m1 or amsoil say? or would this be any synthetic oil i'm assuming it's a group 3?
If you have that much sludge in your engine that you need 46% removed you got other problems... Otherwise it's just marketing like anything else.
Marketing-101:
1) Make the consumer think they have a problem that they need to address.
2) Sell them a product to address this false concern.
3) Make lots of money and laugh all the way to the bank
4) See step #1 again...
There you go....
Mark Twain said it best, "There are lies, da@# lies, and statistics".
To the OP I noticed the foot noted on the PDS says when compared to their conventional oil. Not exactly insurance, but at least its closer to honest.
To the OP I noticed the foot noted on the PDS says when compared to their conventional oil. Not exactly insurance, but at least its closer to honest.
Marketing is marketing but to back Pennzoil, they do show a lot of calcium in their UOA's. Heck, I don't think I have seen any other oil especially their 5w30 with more calcium than PP. Now if they claimed the 46% garbage and then showed little to no detergent additives, yeah that would tick me off more! Kinda like what happened with Mobil and is it group 3 or 4 and mobil not giving a straight answer. But lets not go that way!
The 46% sludge clean-up claim is certainly marketing hyperbole. But I will say this, Pennzoil also states that YB will clean out 15% of an engine's sludge in the same test; so they are clearly stating tangible figure of how much 'better' their synthetic is to their conventional.
PP 5w30 also is one of only two oils to meet the Honda/Acura HTO-06 spec (for turbo cleanliness?)...
So, there might be something to it other than recognized detergent/dispersant additive...
PP 5w30 also is one of only two oils to meet the Honda/Acura HTO-06 spec (for turbo cleanliness?)...
So, there might be something to it other than recognized detergent/dispersant additive...
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