Potentially 60BB of oil in Falklands waters.......

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Would you care to actually say something? You complain about that same system all the time.


I WILL complain about any system that I see as flawed.


Are you going to play the fiddle like the grasshopper and party it up to an unfortunate collision with immutable realities? Should we be numb droids and continue to do as we're supposed to and buy and consume and deplete and waste ..until it's all gone and then look around for you to show us the way to feed, power, clothe, house, and educate our way out of a jam that we never had to be in??


You, my fried, are the one that sees no alternatives to the status quo. Why you embrace it so much ..heaven only knows.


Is there a central archive for terms like "Centralist planning" and "gray area thinking" .."zero net sum" (or something like that)? Got a link? I don't often need it, but there are times I could use some catchy quotes that really allow me to say nothing at all. They could come in handy.


Then all I have to do is put "So, you would rather use (fill in the blank) ..and not have to think.
 
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I WILL complain about any system that I see as flawed.

But have no alternatives. Not very useful.

And by the way, gray area thinking came from Shannow (along with another mechanical engineer on this forum), not me.
 
What can be more grey than acknowledging a finite planet, but still planning and expecting perpetual growth and profitability ?
 
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I WILL complain about any system that I see as flawed.

But have no alternatives. Not very useful.

And by the way, gray area thinking came from Shannow (along with another mechanical engineer on this forum), not me.


Read tons of posts that we've exchanged between each other, Tempest. They're riddled with alternatives. You simply oppose anything that plans for the future. You oppose anything that upsets the status quo on senseless consumption models for the sake of ..what?
 
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What can be more grey than acknowledging a finite planet, but still planning and expecting perpetual growth and profitability ?

OK, so what is your plan? Or who would you like to see doing the planning?
 
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Read tons of posts that we've exchanged between each other, Tempest. They're riddled with alternatives.

You JUST SAID that you have no alternative plan!
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Originally Posted By: Shannow
What can be more grey than acknowledging a finite planet, but still planning and expecting perpetual growth and profitability ?

OK, so what is your plan? Or who would you like to see doing the planning?


what's YOUR plan ?

Burn it all ?

What then ?
 
Tempest, you are good at not understanding what you read.
I have never said the general populace is too stupid to make it's own decisions. What I say that that it is just as stupid to put control of certain things in the hands of Corporatists. If you really believe you can trust an entity which exists solely to make money, then you are just as bad in your own way as the "true believers" in government--of which you mistakenly think I am one.
Get this through your noggin: It's not an either or world. Just because I disagree with your "faith" doesn't mean I believe in the one you despise.

You said your little blurb about the standard of living a couple of times. Do you think the US has the highest standard of living in the world?
And Gary and Shannow are correct, you cannot expect infinite growth with finite resources.
 
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what's YOUR plan ?

Gee I don't know...maybe letting people make their own economic decisions? How novel would that be? Might just spread out the mistakes that all people make and not intensify those of the few "planners" that are supposed to know better than everyone else.
Not to mention having many more minds working on many more problems and solutions.

Think that might work?
 
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I have never said the general populace is too stupid to make it's own decisions.

True enough. Of course you haven't said anything at all as to your opinion on the topic, either. That's all I'm trying to find out.

And what forms a corporation? PEOPLE. And every individual that I know of wants to make money (including yourself I believe) and improve their life. Is it stupid to put control of things in their hands as well? Your logic is rather circular. And don't you work for a corporation?

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Do you think the US has the highest standard of living in the world?

Yes. Now I know you will come back with some kind of study or stat that says otherwise, but when thousands of people constantly risk their lives on a raft or cross a desert with no water to get here, I feel safe in my view.
 
6 million of you live in a family that's been bankrupted due to medical bills (you provide the link, it's your stat of "only 2%", and the system guarantees that by design, 5% will be unemployed to control the price of labour.

must make you feel safe lucky righteous to not be one of those.
 
And is a standard of living supported by debt, rather than hard work really a standard of living.

Your market gave a standard of living, then sustained it through extra hours and overtime, now by personal borrowing...sustainable, and an accurate reflection of the benefits of your market ?
 
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I have never said the general populace is too stupid to make it's own decisions.

True enough. Of course you haven't said anything at all as to your opinion on the topic, either. That's all I'm trying to find out.

And what forms a corporation? PEOPLE. And every individual that I know of wants to make money (including yourself I believe) and improve their life. Is it stupid to put control of things in their hands as well? Your logic is rather circular. And don't you work for a corporation?

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Do you think the US has the highest standard of living in the world?

Yes. Now I know you will come back with some kind of study or stat that says otherwise, but when thousands of people constantly risk their lives on a raft or cross a desert with no water to get here, I feel safe in my view.


No, I don't work for a corporation, thank you.
The US does not have the highest standard of living in the world, although of course it's not bad. But there are more reasons than you'll admit for that.

My opinion is that your rosy view of corporatism doesn't take into account that there are two sides to every coin. I don't think "Big Anything" has my best interests in mind any more than Big Government does. Trust in either at you own risk.
 
Mark, it's certainly possible that you work for a sole proprietorship that isn't incorporated, but this would expose your company owner to massive personal liability. Are you absolutely certain that this is the case?
 
He could be working for a private company that may be incorporated. It's hardly a point to nitpick. One could, but in this case the said corporation isn't for anything except liability and shielding from risk.


If this is the case, I wouldn't plant too big a flag on it, nor boast of some great victory in the meeting hall. It might get a chuckle or two from the heroes.
 
Family-owned company.
In any case, not one that throws enough weight around to do what it wants as some do.

My point to Tempest is that governments are also made of people. Why trust one over the other to care overmuch about anything except themselves?

Now back to the original topic, even if all the potential oil mentioned is there, it doesn't belong to us, does it?
 
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