Possible reactor meltdown in Japan

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Here are a few examples. The people running the cleanup at this nuclear facility sent three guys in to hook up power lines. One guy had high boots and two had ankle height boots. The two guys with ankle height boots were exposed to water with 10,000 times the normal level of radioactivity and had to be hospitalized. The guy with the higher boots was okay. How hard of a decision is it to make sure the workers have proper equipment?

The diesel backup generators were located near a dock to make fuel delivery easier. Afterall, we probably will never need those backup generators anyway. This is right near the ocean. Pretty unlikely that there will be a major earthquake and tsunami.

The Japanese utility people who run this plant just are not sure if there are cracks or holes in one or more of the reactor cores or not. They can't explain why the nearby ocean water has 1250 times the normal amount of radioactive Iodine not to mention radioactive Cesium that will last for a longer period of time out there. The radioactive Cesium was detected miles out to sea.

I hate to think what people might find out if ground water was tested around this facility. Has the ground water even been tested?

Sea water that was used to try to cool down the reactor cores and the spent fuel rod pools caused major damage and the USA is now bringing in fresh water (500,000 gallons) so that sea water that causes major corrosion problems does not have to be used.
 
Originally Posted By: Mystic
Here are a few examples. The people running the cleanup at this nuclear facility sent three guys in to hook up power lines.

The diesel backup generators were located near a dock to make fuel delivery easier. Afterall, we probably will never need those backup generators anyway. This is right near the ocean. Pretty unlikely that there will be a major earthquake and tsunami.

The Japanese utility people who run this plant just are not sure if there are cracks or holes in one or more of the reactor cores or not. They can't explain why the nearby ocean water has 1250 times the

I hate to think what people might find out if ground water was tested around this facility. Has the ground water even been tested?

Sea water that was used to try to cool down the reactor cores and the spent fuel rod pools caused major damage and the USA is now bringing in fresh water (500,000 gallons) so that sea water that causes major corrosion problems does not have to be used.


First of all you ate not seeing the chaotic conditions that we are dealing with. This is a war of survival. There are not enough people run the effort. The people there know they are gonna die.. Your criticism is like criticizing the planners of D-Day for allowing landing craft to drift off course or bc a large number of soldiers died of friendly fire.

As far as the diesels...There was a wall in place and it was breached by a foot or so. The site was not designed for a 9 earthquake. If every nuclear power plant were designed to take a 9 earthquake..there would be no nuclear power.

They can not be sure of holes or cracks in the containment vessels bc there is truly no way of knowing. Most of the instrumentation in containment is melted, flooded, or otherwise destroyed. There could be open valves or other paths that has allowed the water to escape.

Sea water was used bc it was the only source available. The infra structure is gone..there was no way to get water in there.

As far as testing the ground water....nice...but what is the point. There are billions of curies here its gonna go somewhere. (look up the definition of a curie)

I don't think you have any idea of what is being played out there. But you might write them an email and give them your suggestions.
 
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Originally Posted By: Mystic
The people running the cleanup at this nuclear facility


Cleanup? There's no cleanup being done at this time, more like "getting stuff out of the way." With a little luck there will be something left to clean up in the years and decades to come. They have already contaminated the groundwater. Some of the radionuclides with a long half-life will accumulate in the food chain. Can't clean that up.

Look at Europe. After 25 years and more than thousand km from Chernobyl, deer, boar and wild mushrooms are still contaminated due to a combination of a fallout cloud and rain over certain areas at the time.

It is not only the amount of radiation that matters, but even more so what particles there are. A lot of radiation from iodine with a short half-life is less dangerous than little radiation from strontium or plutonium. You really can't clean up fallout. You will have to adjust your eating habits.

As for the Fukushima facility, it's toast. Consider all the water that was dumped onto the facility. That water that didn't vaporize, taking radionuclides with it, well, it's in the ground. You can't clean it up. If the cores and used fuel can be prevented from going critical, after a long time, then there may be cleanup attempts aimed at preventing more radioactive compounds from escaping. The facility will be turned into an enormous tomb that's sitting on contaminated ground for generations to come.

So much for cleanup.
 
Uh oh.......

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Reports from Japan say radioactivity in water at reactor 2 at the damaged Fukushima nuclear plant is 10 million times the usual level.

Workers trying to cool the reactor core to avoid a meltdown have been evacuated, Reuters news agency says.

Earlier, Japan's nuclear agency that levels of radioactive iodine in the sea near the plant have risen to 1,850 times the usual level.

The UN's nuclear agency has warned the crisis could go on for months.

It is believed the radiation at Fukushima is coming from one of the reactors, but a specific leak has not been identified.

The plant's operator has been berated for a lack of transparency.

The government said Tokyo Electric Power Co had to provide information more promptly.

The nation's nuclear agency said the operator of the Fukushima plant had made a number of mistakes, including worker clothing.
 
Yeah i've already advised my contacts in Tokyo to get on the quickest plane out of there. This problem was out of their hands a week ago, and they piddled around when they should have been getting people evacd'.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Uh oh.......

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Reports from Japan say radioactivity in water at reactor 2 at the damaged Fukushima nuclear plant is 10 million times the usual level.


WHOA.
Yeah, they're saying the air in that one is 1000 millisieverts/hr now. That's nuts.

It seems the envelope for getting this thing under control and containing it's effects to the local area is beginning to close rapidly.
 
Nobody who knows what's going on gave them a chance anyway. They've been VERY deceitful about actual conditions from the start.

This area will remain a 'glowing' reminder of poor operational management for centuries!
 
Originally Posted By: dakota99
Yeah i've already advised my contacts in Tokyo to get on the quickest plane out of there. This problem was out of their hands a week ago, and they piddled around when they should have been getting people evacd'.

The questions are where do 128 million Japanese people go and who stays behind to tend the rest of Japan's reactors?
 
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This problem was out of their hands a week ago, and they piddled around when they should have been getting people evacd'.


Japanese officials down played the situation from the very start and didn't allow their pride and ego to tell everyone to run. I understand they are embarrassed to admit failure, but pretending the situation isn't as bad as it really is and getting worse by the minute is unfair to their countrymen.
 
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every nuclear crisis we always seem to find out about poor engineering, poor quality construction, shortcuts, mismanagement, lying by officials, etc


In which cases do we find poor engineering and poor quality construction?

Chernoble is off the table for discussion since it was a Military reactor (not a modern commercial reactor) with carbon moderation; no real backup system, no real safeguards.

The TMI accident was caused by operator error for the most part, a situation that has since been rectified, in my view, by the NRC.
 
Originally Posted By: MolaKule

The TMI accident was caused by operator error for the most part, a situation that has since been rectified, in my view, by the NRC.

It wasn't operator error. ... for the most part. Operators were taught to secure HP injection when the pressurizer was solid. Problem is that instrumentation was telling them the pressurizer was full when it wasn't. Since then additional instrumentation (saturation meter) was added. There were other issues, but this was the bigee.
 
Originally Posted By: Blaze
I'm still in awe in the size of the explosions when the replays are shown!!.... I wonder how many lbs. of TNT those were equal too?... they were massive!!


Bear in mind that those explosions were from a volume of mixed H2/Air, rather than a point source like some pounds of TNT. Local bloke lived through a NG explosion in his house, that literaly blew the roof and doors off his house at 5AM.

Can achieve much the same result with flour, wood fibre.
 
tepco needs to be held accountable for whats going on in japan, and i don't mean the natural disaster part...but it will probably never happen..i think the hammer should be brought down internationally since the effects are so wide spread, but again it will never happen. one can only hope that one of these ******s that runs the company will go into the plant and come out with cancer...but again, everyone who wears a three piece suit for tepco isn't going to go near that place and that too won't happen
 
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Yellow rain fell in Tokyo a few days ago. The government's explanation (lie)? Pollen. Same exact thing after Chernobyl, when pollen levels are low.

Something tells me at least one person other than a government person in a city of 20+ million has a radiation detector. This is not Bangladesh.
 
Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Yellow rain fell in Tokyo a few days ago. The government's explanation (lie)? Pollen. Same exact thing after Chernobyl, when pollen levels are low.

Something tells me at least one person other than a government person in a city of 20+ million has a radiation detector. This is not Bangladesh.



I had to laugh.

OK, so now they're saying that the 10 Million number was a mistake and the actual figure is 100,000.
 
Originally Posted By: greenaccord02
Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Yellow rain fell in Tokyo a few days ago. The government's explanation (lie)? Pollen. Same exact thing after Chernobyl, when pollen levels are low.

Something tells me at least one person other than a government person in a city of 20+ million has a radiation detector. This is not Bangladesh.



I had to laugh.

OK, so now they're saying that the 10 Million number was a mistake and the actual figure is 100,000.


Well 100,000 is much better than 10,000,000....we need to get the French and American experts over there. Of course who in their right mind is going to get within 100 miles of that disaster? This could end very badly for many many Japanese citizens. And that area will be unusable for a generation at least.
 
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