One of the individuals familiar actually said to please respect privacy and use discretion to the media, so ???This story certainly is being kept quiet again....
Odd.
I'll withhold any judgement or opinion until further details are confirmed.
M88s are not particularily modern.Their deaths will be as mysterious as the way they got “lost”. How does one get lost operating a modern tank anyways?
That means it was a swamp. Thats a death sentence you cant swim out.The vehicle has been found on the first day. That was barely the issue. They had to build a road in a day to get to it, as it's sunk 5 meters deep. That's 15ft for us left-ponders.
M88s are not particularily modern.
They are supposed to have a GPS in the later models though.
Not really sure whats still classified and what isnt, so I do not wish to be too specific.Did you guys get GPS or Blue Force Trackers when garrisoned/training? We didn't get them in our humvees during training as late as 2014.
Worked in Lithuania in 2017. The much of the "off grid: terrain was similar to the terrain one might find in Northern Wisconsin. I am not sure a terrain map exclusively would have prevented this accident. Low water features are often dynamic in nature, ever evolving. Sometimes minor excavation miles away can change water features resulting in new/ undiscovered risks.Yes, landnav maps should have bodies of water but that's going off our maps at our facilities. I'm not sure if Lithuania would have maps like that but I would assume so.
It may not have GPS/blue force trackers, but I'm wondering why they didn't use the radio. If it sank fast enough I suppose they could have been focusing on getting out of the vehicle instead.
Civilian nav systems often direct people to drive into a lake. Is the military stuff any better?
I've seen the name of the vehicle but never looked it up until today. All along, I was thinking it was just an armored-type personnel carrier, then I saw you reference "70 tons" as well as that referenced in another story. What in the world is available to lift that weight (before it's sunk in mud) ?And this thing is 70 tons of surface, nooks and crannies.
Not getting any better...
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Continues to sink. Blast.
Not sure how it works but my guess is - pulling something out of sticky mud is function of the surface in contact with the mud ? It's like having something immerged in glue... Pulling out a 1000lb spike would be easier than pulling out a 20lb 3x3 sheet of metal. And this thing is 70 tons of surface, nooks and crannies.
I'm not there and I'm no expert, but I wonder why (and if) they are not trying to stabilize a vertical well/shaft over the hatch(es), and pump it out. Probably can't be done to stay tight enough...
Yeah, hardest part is you can’t be near them - we have daisy chained three 4WD’s just to get one out …I've watched off-road recovery companies (Matt's off-road, HeavyD) recover vehicles that were only partially sunk in mud, like only up to the frame, and those required Herculean effort with multiple heavy lift rigs and lots of digging even when the recovery rigs were on solid ground. I imagine this terrain makes it ten times harder to get the amount of rigs needed out there. And they need to do it before the mud hardens otherwise it's impossible.
Worked in Lithuania in 2017. The much of the "off grid: terrain was similar to the terrain one might find in Northern Wisconsin. I am not sure a terrain map exclusively would have prevented this accident. Low water features are often dynamic in nature, ever evolving. Sometimes minor excavation miles away can change water features resulting in new/ undiscovered risks.
Of note, Wisconsin is a leading cranberry producer, about 60 percent of all U.S. production. Cranberries are typically grown in marshes and bogs.
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