Porsche 911

I don’t know about that, I see a lot of young guys in corvettes all the time . Most of the people I see in Porsches are getting up there in age of which I am one. In my defense I bought my first Porsche at 50 as a gift to myself when my daughter graduated “on time” And didn’t have to pay for an extra year or two of tuition!

It's all tongue-in-cheek. I'm just joking around.

If I were really concerned, I wouldn't have bought a very clean, low mile, last of the manual transmission C7 ZR1's. It was also originally ordered/owned by a guy I consulted for (now deceased) and has a plaque with his name on it from the factory. If I decide to sell it down the road, that provenance makes it more collectible. This car was bought to be a milder, more streetable sportscar, than our other sportscar which has become a bit excessive for the street.

As for Porsches, I've owned a couple. I always enjoyed them. My Brother In Law has a car fetish, and goes through vehicles faster than I do socks. He has had a string of Porsche 911's. Turbo S's in particular. He always offers them to me, but so far I haven't taken him up on the offers. Maybe someday I will. But I need another car like I need a hole in the head. I'm really trying to cut the number of vehicles that I need to maintain.
 
The '99 through '05 or so are replaceable while doing a clutch or similar, later ones aren't replaceable without splitting the engine case and the 'fix' there is to remove the bearing seal allowing splash lubrication by engine oil. This seems to work.

This LN link provides a lot of good information, but take it from the perspective that they are selling something, quality products, but still a sell: IMS Summary LN

If you are seriously considering one, talk to your local indy about the cars but also about any they know of for sale. There is a good shop near the Seacoast, but I don't have the info handy, and two excellent ones in Mass; EPE in Framingham and Sports Imports in North Falmouth. I have learned the best cars don't always get advertised publicly for sale and there is something to be said for finding a car via a knowledgeable shop familiar with the vehicle.
Actually, removing that seal was/is a preemptive fix for all of them. That bearing sits half submerged in oil in the sump, and removing that seal ensures its well lubricated. Lack of lubrication is often cited as a reason for its failure, and some outfits sell lube kits to "prevent" this. Totally unnecessary bc it sits in oil! For comparison, two stroke engines run upwards of 10k rpms and oil mist is the only lubrication for its ball bearings
 
It's all tongue-in-cheek. I'm just joking around.

If I were really concerned, I wouldn't have bought a very clean, low mile, last of the manual transmission C7 ZR1's. It was also originally ordered/owned by a guy I consulted for (now deceased) and has a plaque with his name on it from the factory. If I decide to sell it down the road, that provenance makes it more collectible. This car was bought to be a milder, more streetable sportscar, than our other sportscar which has become a bit excessive for the street.

As for Porsches, I've owned a couple. I always enjoyed them. My Brother In Law has a car fetish, and goes through vehicles faster than I do socks. He has had a string of Porsche 911's. Turbo S's in particular. He always offers them to me, but so far I haven't taken him up on the offers. Maybe someday I will. But I need another car like I need a hole in the head. I'm really trying to cut the number of vehicles that I need to maintain.
I'm in the same situation; I replaced the Clubman, the TJ and the X1 with the Sahara 4xe. That does leave me with one extra garage space, so I may yet fill it with something different yet entertaining.
 
Actually, removing that seal was/is a preemptive fix for all of them. That bearing sits half submerged in oil in the sump, and removing that seal ensures its well lubricated. Lack of lubrication is often cited as a reason for its failure, and some outfits sell lube kits to "prevent" this. Totally unnecessary bc it sits in oil! For comparison, two stroke engines run upwards of 10k rpms and oil mist is the only lubrication for its ball bearings
Agree. Is someone now selling an oiler for the ball or roller bearings? I know the LN Solution is a pressure fed plain bearing, basically an add on to back date the motor, bit wasn't aware of any other pressure fed mods. The Solution seems successful, but I'm not one to mess with the oiling system and adding a spin-on seems a bit kludgey, and I know there were some problems due to filters.

I know LN says it is "sitting" in the sump, but is it actually? The shaft and sprockets are not really visible from the sump, it appears to be in a sort of V part of the engine case...almost looks like a dry sump case w/ rectangular drains inside of the wet sump. Now there is a lot of oil flying around and maybe when full, oil pools in the area around the bearing and sprockets or that is above the water line when full. Been a while since I was that deep in one.
 
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Agree. Is someone now selling an oiler for the ball or roller bearings? I know the LN Solution is a pressure fed plain bearing, basically an add on to back date the motor, bit wasn't aware of any other pressure fed mods. The Solution seems successful, but I'm not one to mess with the oiling system and adding a spin-on seems a bit kludgey, and I know there were some problems due to filters.

I know LN says it is "sitting" in the sump, but is it actually? The shaft and sprockets are not really visible from the sump, it appears to be in a sort of V part of the engine case...almost looks like a dry sump case w/ rectangular drains inside of the wet sump. Now there is a lot of oil flying around and maybe when full, oil pools in the area around the bearing and sprockets or that is above the water line when full. Been a while since I was that deep in one.
EPS, if I recall correctly, sells a modified oil pump shaft that fills the IMS with oil
 
Agree. Is someone now selling an oiler for the ball or roller bearings? I know the LN Solution is a pressure fed plain bearing, basically an add on to back date the motor, bit wasn't aware of any other pressure fed mods. The Solution seems successful, but I'm not one to mess with the oiling system and adding a spin-on seems a bit kludgey, and I know there were some problems due to filters.

I know LN says it is "sitting" in the sump, but is it actually? The shaft and sprockets are not really visible from the sump, it appears to be in a sort of V part of the engine case...almost looks like a dry sump case w/ rectangular drains inside of the wet sump. Now there is a lot of oil flying around and maybe when full, oil pools in the area around the bearing and sprockets or that is above the water line when full. Been a while since I was that deep in one.
I base my opinion on knowledgeable ppl, that I trust, on Porsche forums claiming it does sit in oil. I know of at least one source of an oiling kit for the IMS ball bearing. (It's been a while since I was researching all this and maybe not available anymore). More than enuff oil available just from it flying around during operation. In my opinion, the "problem" arises from overload, not lubrication (if oil is changed at reasonable interval). The 6204 appears to be too small to handle load while the larger 6205 and double row equipped cars have lower "failure" rates. Same oiling system, same oil, same load but better (larger) bearings that can handle the load, IMO
 
I base my opinion on knowledgeable ppl, that I trust, on Porsche forums claiming it does sit in oil. I know of at least one source of an oiling kit for the IMS ball bearing. (It's been a while since I was researching all this and maybe not available anymore). More than enuff oil available just from it flying around during operation. In my opinion, the "problem" arises from overload, not lubrication (if oil is changed at reasonable interval). The 6204 appears to be too small to handle load while the larger 6205 and double row equipped cars have lower "failure" rates. Same oiling system, same oil, same load but better (larger) bearings that can handle the load, IMO
IIRC there have also been some engines that were machined with a misalignment that overloads the ball bearing.

The 996 is a wonderful car. The M96 unfortunately has more than one potential failure mode, especially in larger displacement form.
 
What the heck was I thinking? It was a 25 year old car with 8 owners and 62K miles. The
steering was like driving a truck. Guys, thank you for saving me a ton of money and
bringing me back to reality.
 
steering was like driving a truck....I heard that's a common complaint when a parent gives their 15 yo 335i to a high school student. Our generation calls or maybe called it road feel. It's 2025, and we just got our first car with EPS. I can't be sure, but I don't think it's as vague as say a 2016 BMW where there is zero, and I mean zero, feel whatsoever. Or say like a 2019 Lexus RX 🤣
 
steering was like driving a truck....I heard that's a common complaint when a parent gives their 15 yo 335i to a high school student. Our generation calls or maybe called it road feel. It's 2025, and we just got our first car with EPS. I can't be sure, but I don't think it's as vague as say a 2016 BMW where there is zero, and I mean zero, feel whatsoever. Or say like a 2019 Lexus RX 🤣
I think most people confuse steering feel with steering effort. My 2002 and Club Sport always let you know what's going on at the contact patches- to the point that you can keep the car balanced at the edge of adhesion without the need for an alphabet soup of stability control nannies.
 
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I think most people confuse steering feel with steering effort. My 2002 and Club Sport always let you know what's going on at the contact patches to the- point that you can keep the car balanced at the edge of adhesion without the need for an alphabet soup of stability control nannies.

Getting feedback from the road, and maybe having to shift through a transmission manually? Sacrilege! Video games didn't require that!!
 
As a person who has owned 2 Porsches, a '98 Boxster that was bought used, and a '15 Cayman that was bought new, and is still treating me well after 10 years, and just a couple dozen miles away from the 70k mile mark, I can assure you that these cars, and the 911's of the 996 and newer generations can be fantastic cars to own and drive, or, if you're the wrong type of owner / driver, your worst nightmare.

If you're like me, a data nerd, who loves to follow processes, and can turn wrenches better than most amateurs on internet forums, then owning a 986 / 996 or newer generation car can be a very enjoyable experience, and you get to be hands on with repairing your own car. Unlike some German and Italian brands, Porsche makes their cars reasonably easy to service, in some instances.

On that '98 Boxster, I replaced the Front Engine Mount, the Rear Struts, the Water Pump, the MAF sensor, and the Convertible Top, all on my own, either in my garage or in a local mall parking lot (water pump failed while on a drive, that's where I got the car safely parked, and I repaired it over the course of a couple days), using nothing but typical hand tools.

Other quick and easy services I've done on both the Boxster and the Cayman are engine and cabin Air Filters (harder on the Cayman), spark plugs, engine oil and filter changes (no under engine body panels to remove, save 1 small one on the Cayman for easier access to 1 specific plug), brake pads and rotors, brake fluid flushes, coolant refill and bleeding (since the Boxster's water pump blew, and lost all it's coolant), and 1 microswitch for the Boxster's convertible top when that died.

The number 1 tool a modern Porsche owner should buy is the Durametric OBD connector and software.
I paid $300 for it when I first bought my Boxster back in '09, and I'm still getting free program upgrades several times a year, and it can service nearly every P-car sold over the decades.

For me, who doesn't have the income and financial reserves that some of our forum members do, I can assure you that owning a non-special edition Porsche with a manual transmission is typically a very budget friendly vehicle, if you can service the car yourself. If you are living off of a standard retail employee salary, and have an expensive rent payment, just skip the used Porsche ownership experience. Tires are expensive, and owning a Porsche with Chinese No-Name brand tires isn't a pleasant experience.

If you are the type that would rather pay a shop or dealer to service your car, the great news is that just about anyplace can service a Porsche, and no one ever complains about charging you to do so. In comparison, just try and find a place to get a modern Alfa Romeo serviced. Way different ownership experience, even though there's nothing tough or hard about serving a Giulia or a Stelvio, it's just that no one wants to deal with them in their European Car shops.

Just make sure you wallet is fat enough to pay for a shop to service your new to you Porsche, because they will charge you much more than taking your Ford Crown Victoria to your local Ford Dealer for a typical wallet flush found there.

I had to take the Boxster to a Porsche dealer to remove the broken bolts that mount the muffler to the rear of the transmission housing, and that set me back around $800, back in '09. That's literally the only service on that car that I didn't do myself. I probably could have extracted them myself, using a dremel to cut a slot in the broken bolts, and a screwdriver, but I didn't want the risk on my head at the time.

A 911 isn't going to be much more expensive for maintenance than either my Boxster or Cayman have been, but the cost of acquiring the 911, plus insurance and tire replacement costs are going to be more than both of the 2 seaters. So if you want to dip your toes into Porsche Ownership, start with them instead of a 911.

So, that's my Porsche ownership experiences over the past 16 years.
My custom ordered 2015 Cayman is my dream car, and I'm going to own it for a very long time.
 
What the heck was I thinking? It was a 25 year old car with 8 owners and 62K miles. The
steering was like driving a truck. Guys, thank you for saving me a ton of money and
bringing me back to reality.
The car has had eight owners?
That's more a rap on that particular car than it is on Porches in general.
Steers like a truck?
Doubt that.
I spent some miles in a 3/4 GMC 4x4 that lacked power steering and no 911 is anything like that heavy in its steering, and even that wasn't bad at all. It also rode better than modern 3/4 tons I've driven.
Heavy steering?
Try an original Z car or an early Vanagon.
I've owned both.
 
As a person who has owned 2 Porsches, a '98 Boxster that was bought used, and a '15 Cayman that was bought new, and is still treating me well after 10 years, and just a couple dozen miles away from the 70k mile mark, I can assure you that these cars, and the 911's of the 996 and newer generations can be fantastic cars to own and drive, or, if you're the wrong type of owner / driver, your worst nightmare.

If you're like me, a data nerd, who loves to follow processes, and can turn wrenches better than most amateurs on internet forums, then owning a 986 / 996 or newer generation car can be a very enjoyable experience, and you get to be hands on with repairing your own car. Unlike some German and Italian brands, Porsche makes their cars reasonably easy to service, in some instances.

On that '98 Boxster, I replaced the Front Engine Mount, the Rear Struts, the Water Pump, the MAF sensor, and the Convertible Top, all on my own, either in my garage or in a local mall parking lot (water pump failed while on a drive, that's where I got the car safely parked, and I repaired it over the course of a couple days), using nothing but typical hand tools.

Other quick and easy services I've done on both the Boxster and the Cayman are engine and cabin Air Filters (harder on the Cayman), spark plugs, engine oil and filter changes (no under engine body panels to remove, save 1 small one on the Cayman for easier access to 1 specific plug), brake pads and rotors, brake fluid flushes, coolant refill and bleeding (since the Boxster's water pump blew, and lost all it's coolant), and 1 microswitch for the Boxster's convertible top when that died.

The number 1 tool a modern Porsche owner should buy is the Durametric OBD connector and software.
I paid $300 for it when I first bought my Boxster back in '09, and I'm still getting free program upgrades several times a year, and it can service nearly every P-car sold over the decades.

For me, who doesn't have the income and financial reserves that some of our forum members do, I can assure you that owning a non-special edition Porsche with a manual transmission is typically a very budget friendly vehicle, if you can service the car yourself. If you are living off of a standard retail employee salary, and have an expensive rent payment, just skip the used Porsche ownership experience. Tires are expensive, and owning a Porsche with Chinese No-Name brand tires isn't a pleasant experience.

If you are the type that would rather pay a shop or dealer to service your car, the great news is that just about anyplace can service a Porsche, and no one ever complains about charging you to do so. In comparison, just try and find a place to get a modern Alfa Romeo serviced. Way different ownership experience, even though there's nothing tough or hard about serving a Giulia or a Stelvio, it's just that no one wants to deal with them in their European Car shops.

Just make sure you wallet is fat enough to pay for a shop to service your new to you Porsche, because they will charge you much more than taking your Ford Crown Victoria to your local Ford Dealer for a typical wallet flush found there.

I had to take the Boxster to a Porsche dealer to remove the broken bolts that mount the muffler to the rear of the transmission housing, and that set me back around $800, back in '09. That's literally the only service on that car that I didn't do myself. I probably could have extracted them myself, using a dremel to cut a slot in the broken bolts, and a screwdriver, but I didn't want the risk on my head at the time.

A 911 isn't going to be much more expensive for maintenance than either my Boxster or Cayman have been, but the cost of acquiring the 911, plus insurance and tire replacement costs are going to be more than both of the 2 seaters. So if you want to dip your toes into Porsche Ownership, start with them instead of a 911.

So, that's my Porsche ownership experiences over the past 16 years.
My custom ordered 2015 Cayman is my dream car, and I'm going to own it for a very long time.

Can you post a photo of Cayman. I was considering buying one.
 
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