Pontiac G8 to replace Grand Prix...

[Win]

Chevy may indeed get a big HP, rear drive 4 door, built off one of the rear drive platforms developed by Holden, but it would be built in NA.

The Pontiacs are Holden built, exported to NA. Again, I'm no expert, but I try to keep tabs on this as a G8 or another Monaro / GTO are on my buy list.

 

[Camu Mahubah]

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The Australians build great cars and the Pontiac / Holden connection is pretty old news at this point.



Anybody that knows anything knows that...the point of my post was to inform that the connection has been revived after the demise of the GTO...

 

[Camu Mahubah]

Well that last post kinda looks funny...anyways there are so many cars the big three makes and sells in other countries that we can't get here...thankfully they are giving us the G8...I would buy a European Focus in a heartbeat were it available here...

 

[BGK]

From what I've read the G8 could be a BMW killer. Of course, we've all heard that before...

 

[mstrjon32]

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SS doesn't belong on anything they're producing now.

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Why is that? As it is the modern V6 Monte Carlo and Impala are faster than most of the SS's of days gone by.

 

[ryansride2017]

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The other day I was getting gas and a Monte Carlo SS with 5.3 pulls up...I ask the guy what he thinks of 303 hp in his front-driver...he got really mad and exclaimed to me that his car was rear-wheel drive...I drove away saddened for the ignorance of the average American male when it comes to cars...He's got a front-driver and don't even know it...

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I was talking to a previous co-worker of mine who bought a new camry. I asked whether it had the V-6 or 4 cylinder engine. He said he didn't know. I can't imagine being a male and buying a car and not asking/knowing the answer to that question. If that's what being a "new male" is...I don't want to be one!

 

[MrCritical]

The only problem we've had with the Holden/Pontiac part has been turnaround time on parts orders. Trim pieces have been ridiculous, in the 30-45 day range. But we haven't had to replace many.

 

[CBDFrontier06]

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SS doesn't belong on anything they're producing now.

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Why is that? As it is the modern V6 Monte Carlo and Impala are faster than most of the SS's of days gone by.

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1967-1969 L78 SS396 Camaro: 396 cid (6.5 L) Big-Block V8 375 hp @ 5600 rpm, 415 ft•lb @ 3600 rpm

1970 Chevelle SS 454 450 hp and 500 ft/lb of torque, 1/4 mile in mid-13s at 108 mph.

1967 - 1969 Impala SS427 425 hp

1968 Nova SS 375 hp

Technologically inferior, but definitely more powerful than any current Impala or Monte Carlo. Torque steer? Never heard of it. Steering with the front OR rear wheels...any time you want.

 

[mstrjon32]

Don't get me wrong, I'd rather have an older car myself, but they were NOT faster stock for stock. The 1970 Monte Carlo SS 454 pulled something like a 15.9 second 1/4 mile on a good day. It had a huge engine, but it had to push a very heavy car; they were fast in their day, but as stock, they're not quick at all compared to modern cars.

I don't know if you ever watch Top Gear, but they once did a segment about an older Jaguar and the Aston Martin DB5; cars which claimed 350+ hp. They took two of these, both in PERFECT restored condition, and drag raced them against a base model Euro-Accord (the American Acura TSX); the TSX easily won. It's the same story with stock, old, American cars. I love them, but unless properly modified and tuned up, they'll get spanked by an Accord.

Also, I'm really tired of all the whining about torque steer. I've both driven and ridden in the 5.3L V8 and the torque steer is barely noticeable. If you kill the traction control there basically is none. Yes, I'd rather have the power delivered through the rear wheels too, but the torque steer is just not that bad!

 

[Camu Mahubah]

...I know...but there is a kid here in town with a 1969 Ford F100...sweet truck...fully-restored...He tells everybody it has a 428 Cobra Jet...I have seen the hood up and it is a 390...I said,"Dude who told you that is a 428?"...kid avoids question and goes rattling on...

It doesn't matter anyways...one day we will have to discuss how big our aftermarket batteries are for our hopped up hybrids...

 

[G-MAN]

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Oh, I still wish I lived in Florida because I am not a big fan of rear-drive in the snow...I finally got studded snow tires for the 78 Grand Prix and then she goes and dies on me!

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The first time you're in snow or ice with FWD and your rear wheels break free you suddenly become a big fan of RWD in the snow. I know from experience. With FWD once your rear wheels lose traction you have no control over where the car goes. You are a passenger along for the ride.

 

[G-MAN]

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SS doesn't belong on anything they're producing now.

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Why is that? As it is the modern V6 Monte Carlo and Impala are faster than most of the SS's of days gone by.

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1967-1969 L78 SS396 Camaro: 396 cid (6.5 L) Big-Block V8 375 hp @ 5600 rpm, 415 ft•lb @ 3600 rpm

1970 Chevelle SS 454 450 hp and 500 ft/lb of torque, 1/4 mile in mid-13s at 108 mph.

1967 - 1969 Impala SS427 425 hp

1968 Nova SS 375 hp

Technologically inferior, but definitely more powerful than any current Impala or Monte Carlo.

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Those are SAE gross HP ratings. Modern cars are rated in SAE net. Subtract about 25% to 33% from the above figures for an accurate comparison to modern car HP figures.

 

[CBDFrontier06]

My point was...

"As it is the modern V6 Monte Carlo and Impala are faster than most of the SS's of days gone by."

A Chevelle SS up against a V6 Impala in the 1/4 wouldn't even be worth doing. I've driven both, and I assure you a V6 Impala would be sucking dust in that race.

 

[brianl703]

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The first time you're in snow or ice with FWD and your rear wheels break free

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So don't pull up the parking brake and that won't happen

 

[Camu Mahubah]

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Oh, I still wish I lived in Florida because I am not a big fan of rear-drive in the snow...I finally got studded snow tires for the 78 Grand Prix and then she goes and dies on me!

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The first time you're in snow or ice with FWD and your rear wheels break free you suddenly become a big fan of RWD in the snow. I know from experience. With FWD once your rear wheels lose traction you have no control over where the car goes. You are a passenger along for the ride.

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What makes you think you have any control of the front tires in a rear-driver...It felt like the front tires were skis...I would head in a general direction but with no real authority...the rear tires spinning like mad with no authority...Granted one would do all one could do to prevent wheel-spin as much as possible...Your 300M must have traction control...my 78 Pontiac was a one-wheel wonder...After I installed studded Winter tires...the old girl went from being a hazard to a beast in the snow and ice...I cry everytime I walk in the garage where her studded tires are stored...Alas she is gone...I still prefer a front-driver in snow and ice...maybe because I grew up in Florida where one does not get much experience on snow and ice...so one naturally prefers to drive a front-driver in Winter...lower skill level required than rear-wheel drive...Nah Mean!...

 

[crw]

As a life-long driver in Utah and Idaho, I'm still scratching my head at G-MAN's post. There is just no way that RWD is better in the snow (and ice) and I've driven them all. Been sliding sideways and backward in Mustangs more times than I can count... five months a year I deal with this. FWD is better in almost all respects.

Now, if we're talking tires, GOOD tires make every car MUCH better in snow.

 

[sprintman]

The new Camaro is being designed in Melbourne, that's Melbourne Victoria not Melbourne Florida. A commodore with new clothes.

 

[mstrjon32]

Well, my point was, that many older Impala SS's and basically ALL older Monte Carlo SS's are slower than their modern V6 counterparts, let alone the modern SS's. A modern Impala SS would wipe the floor with basically any old stock SS.

The new ones are just as worthy of the badge as the older ones.

 

[gedcruise]

Not so sure about that.
FWD recovery is usually very easy.
Also, it takes serious effort to break the rear end loose in any FWD car.
In a RWD, as long as you have induces the nonsense with your right foot, recovery is also easy.
If the rear end is loose as a result of inadvertant ice discovery (black ice!), recovery requires careful counter steer, and that you then center the wheel, otherwise, the back end will depart in the other direction.
I have lived in Ohio all of my years. We do see our share of snow and ice, and I have done many miles in difficult winter conditions in both front and rear drive cars.
I would have to say that FWD is easier to drive in winter storm conditions.

 

[Racerjk]

I like the G8,but I like the GTO better. I wouldn't mind having either one though!