Polarity and AutoRX
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I just wish there were an effective additive of any kind for synthetic premium quality engine oil (SPQEO).
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Wouldn't there be the same problems with A-Rx as a main't dose with a good synthetic oil?
Well, value and beauty are in the eyes of the beholder.
I look at it this way, that after a thorough cleaning using ARX, a maintenance dose would serve to help solve sludge components or swipe precursors of sludge and help keep seals clean and pliable, especially when the additive package of the synthetic oil tended to degrade.
Wouldn't there be the same problems with A-Rx as a main't dose with a good synthetic oil?
Well, value and beauty are in the eyes of the beholder.
I look at it this way, that after a thorough cleaning using ARX, a maintenance dose would serve to help solve sludge components or swipe precursors of sludge and help keep seals clean and pliable, especially when the additive package of the synthetic oil tended to degrade.
Does A-rX increase the polarity of a "good synthetic" causing it to cling to metal better? If so then there is value in it for the guy that doesn't use his car every day. The guy with the classic who uses the car once a month on a sunny Sunday.
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I thought oil, whether mineral or synthetic, with the exception of ester-diesters, was nonpolar. I thought polarity in oil occurred only when there was water content?
Once the engine is clean, Auto RX probably won't find any attached sludge that it needs to penetrate to remove. Simply being in the oil could prevent the sludge from attaching to anything to start with.
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I want to know what makes PAO oils less than ideal in combination with A-Rx.
If the nonpolarity of PAO oils is the issue, how does that impede A-Rx? Mineral oils are also nonpolar. At least as far as I know.
If the nonpolarity of PAO oils is the issue, how does that impede A-Rx? Mineral oils are also nonpolar. At least as far as I know.
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Originally Posted By: jmac
Asked and answered, post #1534702 by Molecule.
Sounds like an impostor.
Got a link? I have no idea how to find MolaKule's post by number.
Asked and answered, post #1534702 by Molecule.
Sounds like an impostor.
Got a link? I have no idea how to find MolaKule's post by number.
page one of this thread.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/posts/1535458/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/posts/1535458/
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Thanks. You could have just said MoleKule's post was in this thread.
Let's see, MoleKule wrote:
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You have to remember, as others have said, that ther are components in a synthetc oi that are polar and may interfere with the ARX esters. For example, in Mobil 1, they use Alkylated Naphthalenes, along with a small amout of ester, as "polar solvents," in addition to PAO. In Redline, the POE's would interfere as well. Same way with Amsoil and other full synthetics.
If the base oil contained only PAO, then there wouldn't be a problem, but as stated above, there are no PAO only PCMOs or HDEOs.
Per this, no PAO oil is suitable for an A-Rx treatment. On the other hand it is commonly accepted lore that the small maintenance dose will be effective with any PAO.
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So follow directions and use a GroupI,II, or III oil for the ARX Cleaning/Rinsing regimen.
This implies that Group II and Group III oil never contain any PAO, or at least not any PAO with "polar components," and means that All Group II and Group III oils are, without exception, usable with the full benefit of A-Rx.
Let's see, MoleKule wrote:
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You have to remember, as others have said, that ther are components in a synthetc oi that are polar and may interfere with the ARX esters. For example, in Mobil 1, they use Alkylated Naphthalenes, along with a small amout of ester, as "polar solvents," in addition to PAO. In Redline, the POE's would interfere as well. Same way with Amsoil and other full synthetics.
If the base oil contained only PAO, then there wouldn't be a problem, but as stated above, there are no PAO only PCMOs or HDEOs.
Per this, no PAO oil is suitable for an A-Rx treatment. On the other hand it is commonly accepted lore that the small maintenance dose will be effective with any PAO.
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So follow directions and use a GroupI,II, or III oil for the ARX Cleaning/Rinsing regimen.
This implies that Group II and Group III oil never contain any PAO, or at least not any PAO with "polar components," and means that All Group II and Group III oils are, without exception, usable with the full benefit of A-Rx.
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Originally Posted By: jmac
maybe add the universal caveat, YMMV?
On the bottle?
maybe add the universal caveat, YMMV?
On the bottle?
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Please help out in this related thread: Group II and III oil without "polar content"
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Slow day.
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Yeah. What's up? Did some Euro-nation, that has a cultural distinction for doing everything in refined detail, come up with a nasal hair treatment that doesn't require attention as a daily adult requirement?
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You really got a thing for stereotypes. How smart. Actually, Gary, I'm far more detailed-oriented than the average member of a particular Euro-nation. Besides creativity and expertise, it is my attention to detail for which I get paid, and it is also a contributing factor to why there is an inexhaustible demand for my skills in the country where I am living by choice.
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You really got a thing for stereotypes.
Well, I guess stereo types are like broken clocks. Every once and a while they match the real thing
Did I say that I thought it was a "bad thing"?
You really got a thing for stereotypes.
Well, I guess stereo types are like broken clocks. Every once and a while they match the real thing
Did I say that I thought it was a "bad thing"?
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I'm not going to help you derail this thread.
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Originally Posted By: moribundman
I'm not going to help you derail this thread.
Sorry ...
Originally Posted By: moribundman
Slow day.
I'm not going to help you derail this thread.
Sorry ...
Originally Posted By: moribundman
Slow day.
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