Please make a sticky about oil Classifications

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I have been reading a little thru the forum and decided to join.
I am confused by some terms. Can you please make a sticky note at the top of the forum explaining terms so newbies understand?

Examples:

What exactly is a group II, III, IV, V oil? How are they different?

What is a SLOB

Any of the normal terms you might use would be helpful.

Thanks.
 
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Not to sound harsh, but, it is probably not best to come in and make any demands for your first post. Now that you are a member here, you can use the search feature located at the top. Just search for what you are looking for, and I am 100% positive you will find it.

Welcome to the forum!
 
I did look but it was hard to find and get a easy to read and compare answer. Can't it be a sticky right at the top of the forum with all the info in one spot?
 
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I'm a little surprised there are not more stickies too.

Just read, and read, and read, and read.... You can try the search but personally think it blows. I hate UBB.

You can also search just the subject line so you don't get many irrelevant results.
 
I think we could probably as a collective develop a FAQ or at least a guide to put on the main portion of the site to answer every day questions about what differences in Noack are, how to compare oils, different base oils, and maybe a small database of common/popular oils with links to UOAs for their current formulations.

It'd be a lot of work to start with, but once it was written very little would change. Maybe have a "reference" forum with stickies for each category of things, people could post new information pertinent to a specific one in the forum, and then edit the "FAQ" section stickies as needed.
 
This would be very good to sticky. Thanks!

Group I is solvent extracted from crude oil. It's a mixed bag of hydrocarbons and in North America has fallen out of favor due to not being of very high quality compared to readily available base stocks that are improvements on it.

Group II is hydrocracked and dewaxed oil to produce more of the desired properties and it reduces unsaturated hydrocarbons, which reduces the tendency of the oil to oxidize and thicken out of grade. Most conventional oils in North America are made up of this.

Group II+ is an oil that would typically have very few unsaturated hydrocarbons and lower wax content. It may not be as fully processed as group III, but it is ahead of Group II for quality. Certain higher quality conventional oils use a higher proportion of this.

Group III is a heavily hydrocracked mineral oil. Most synthetic oils on the market are made up of this. The oil molecules are broken down through a variety of processes until they are much more like what has good lubricating properties, and removes or breaks down molecules with negative performance effects such as waxes. Pennzoil Platinum is the highest regarded group III oil on this site.

Group III+ is the extreme end of this, where the final product is basically nothing like any of the components that went into it, but it is still derived by heavily processing crude oil. An example of this would be Shell XHVI base oils. As well, oils are being developed on gas-to-liquids basestocks which would also produce extremely high quality group III bases, fundamentally synthesized but not falling into the definitions of group IV or V.

Group IV is PAO, which most consider along with group V to be a "true" synthetic. It is made up of base oils made from other hydrocarbons (often derived from natural gas) and is made specifically to be a lubricant, and does not have origin as crude oil. Mobil 1 and Amsoil are the best examples of these type of oils. They offer performance throughout extremes, resist oxidation, all kinds of fun stuff.

Group V is a blanket term for anything else, usually ester based oil. Red Line Oil is a common example of this.
 
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I also agree that a FAQ section would be nice and might save alot of question answering.
 
Originally Posted By: ZZman
I also agree that a FAQ section would be nice and might save alot of question answering.

Doubtful. If you stick around for a while you'll soon learn it's the same questions that are asked over and over and over.That's not meant as a slam,it's just the nature of this site.
 
Hey all,

I've been a member for a short time, and my first post was a variation of the classic 5w20/5w30 issue. In the meantime I've been reading and searching by my lonesome and enjoying myself. My wife thinks I need a hobby...
However, building on ZZ's question, I have one:
Knowing the classifications as noted above, is there a post somewhere that lists what Brands correspond to the classifications above?
Nevermind the additives, just something that lists the base stocks of what I might find on my local shelf?

Thanks!
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There are little in the way of sticky posts that I am used to at other forums.

The wife will always say, "honey are you talking to those oil guys again?" For some reason, she blames all of you for stocking up on oil and keeping it in her scrapbook room closet.

They just don't get it.
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So who runs the forum and could make a sticky note for it or do a FAQ sections with terms and such?

At least if there was a good FAQ section and someone asked a question that is already there you could just give them the link.

Then that would save having to type long answers again.
 
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