Please avoid the use of product name abbreviations and acronyms

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This is a new concern, and the staff wanted to share it with everyone, and solicit your help in avoiding the use of abbreviations and acronyms for products discussed on BITOG.

Here is the issue - abbreviations, like M1 for Mobil 1, make sense to the long time members of BITOG, but they do not make sense to Google or others searching for information. In the age of AI answering questions, the use of abbreviations reduces our site relevance and site traffic.

It’s critical work to keeping the site alive and relevant because the day that Google turned on AI summary at the top of their search results, our site traffic dropped by 30%. People are getting Google AI generated answers and not coming to BITOG.

For example, over 1 million searches for “Mobil 1” led to our site. Fewer than 1,000 searches for “M1” led to our site. Searching on the term M1 generally leads to discussions about World War II weaponry.

So, Wayne, and the staff, have started editing abbreviations/acronyms because they are not commonly, or universally, recognized, even among the site members, and they are certainly not recognized by Google or people outside the site who are searching.

We want to drive traffic to the site. We want folks searching about oil to find BITOG - but that will not happen if we use acronyms known only to a few. Acronyms like “V - R - P” or “P - P” or “S - T” (spaces and hyphens added so our daily database work does not change them to their proper names) are hurting the site’s search traffic. Sure, we can still use “FAA” if we are talking about air travel, or “NHRA” if we are talking about drag racing, but please avoid using the product abbreviations that have become so common here.

We, the staff, have been editing posts, in alignment with this effort and the results have been mixed. Bots and “find and replace” have led to some unintended editing consequences. Manually editing is an insurmountable amount of work.

If you have an instance of where an actual word was changed to something erroneous as a result of our editing, we’d like to know about it so that we can fix it.

In the meantime, help us out with the effort - please spell out the entire product name. “Pennzoil Platinum” “Mobil 1” "Quaker State" and the like.

We really appreciate it. It’s important to keep the site viable and searchable by those who have yet to join our ranks.
 
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Is there any technical way while using the forum software to "unwrap" the most common abbreviations before posting ? Like the "Preview" button ? The software looks quite advanced - can this be baked in ?

My logic is - while I'll absolutely try to abide by this, typing "Valvoline Restore and Protect" on a phone can send anyone in such deep Autocorrect rabbit holes, that not Google - the CIA won't be able to figure out what I meant 😊.

Or maybe is this a customizable option on phones themselves? I'm on Android and I'm not aware of any. Maybe iPhones have it ?
 
Machines telling humans what to do is just the start. All praise Skynet.
The reality is this - whether a machine is searching, (and the site gets over 100,000 crawls a day by Google) or a person, the text in posts isn’t searchable because that person, or bot, doesn’t know our vernacular - our acronym convention.

And that should be obvious - new members have asked for a glossary of unique BITOG acronyms.

So, how would some future person know, that in order to find out about Valvoline Restore and Protect, that they will get any results from searching for “VRP” - and if they don’t find BITOG because they searched for the full product name - then we are the ones who lose.

We lose search results. We lose future potential participants. We fail to provide relevant information.

So, it’s not about machines v. Humans - it’s about making the site more searchable and driving traffic our way.
 
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Is there any technical way while using the forum software to "unwrap" the most common abbreviations before posting ? Like the "Preview" button ? The software looks quite advanced - can this be baked in ?

My logic is - while I'll absolutely try to abide by this, typing "Valvoline Restore and Protect" on a phone can send anyone in such deep Autocorrect rabbit holes, that not Google - the CIA won't be able to figure out what I meant 😊.

Or maybe is this a customizable option on phones themselves? I'm on Android and I'm not aware of any. Maybe iPhones have it ?
We have tried the technical solution - and it leads to unintended consequences - like the word “poster” being changed to “po Super Tech er”. It’s going to require just a bit more effort from the folks here, but using the full product name is essential for the site’s viability in the long run.
 
Astro, are you saying that every time, in every post, you want us to start spelling out the terms in their entirety--or just in the thread title, and the first post? I'm also wondering if there is a tag system, so the original poster could select a Valvoline Restore and Protect tag when composing the first post--would that help?
 
It does make sense to spell it out completely in the OP, or where it's otherwise the first time it's used in a given thread, but thereafter, abbreviations should be acceptable in the same thread :unsure:

For example, if someone mentions High Performance Lubricants in the OP, it should be acceptable to say HPL for the rest of the thread.

Using the full name at least once in any thread a given product is mentioned is fair and makes sense :)
 
We have tried the technical solution - and it leads to unintended consequences - like the word “poster” being changed to “po Super Tech er”. It’s going to require just a bit more effort from the folks here, but using the full product name is essential for the site’s viability in the long run.
If it's possible to assign it to a button - it would be manual, and ultimately the responsibility of the poster to do the final corrections?

Example. Type:

- "VOA and UOA on my M - 1 and V - R - P batches". (spaces and hyphens added to prevent daily updates from "fixing" them).
- Press button in menu (before publishing). Similar to the Preview button.
- This unwraps the abbreviations. You can decide which ones to set up. You can set it up to unwrap just the commercial terms.

The poster is then free to finish editing at will. Then press the Post Reply button.
This will keep the final posting responsibility to the poster, no automations will cause any misunderstandings, and the full names will be correctly entered - identically - every time.
 
If it's possible to assign it to a button - it would be manual, and ultimately the responsibility of the poster to do the final corrections?

Example. Type:

- "VOA and UOA on my Mobil 1 and Valvoline Restore and Protect batches".
- Press button in menu (before publishing). Similar to the Preview button.
- This unwraps the abbreviations. You can decide which ones to set up. You can set it up to unwrap just the commercial terms.

The poster is then free to finish editing at will. Then press the Post Reply button.
This will keep the final posting responsibility to the poster, no automations will cause any misunderstandings, and the full names will be correctly entered - identically - every time.
Custom software with functionality like that is expensive - and we looked at getting custom software for editing by staff - absolutely unaffordable. I’ll let @wwillson comment on his efforts in this vein.
 
It does make sense to spell it out completely in the OP, or where it's otherwise the first time it's used in a given thread, but thereafter, abbreviations should be acceptable in the same thread :unsure:

For example, if someone mentions High Performance Lubricants in the OP, it should be acceptable to say HPL for the rest of the thread.

Using the full name at least once in any thread a given product is mentioned is fair and makes sense :)
It's good technical-writing practice to do as you say - write it out in full the first time, add the abbreviation or acronym in brackets immediately after, and thereafter use the short form only.

E.g. I switched to Walmart's house-brand motor oil SuperTech (S - T) after Mobil 1 (M - 1) (spaces and hyphens added to prevent daily updates from "fixing" them) increased in price, but have gone back to M - 1 because S - T is not available in a 0W-30 weight.
 
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I'm going to need a cut paste page on my computer but I will try. Will the searches find Restore and Protect when the actual product has Valvoline Restore and Protect. Those 150 page threads will be growing :ROFLMAO:.

All good reasons for the site search hits. Sad that it's the same with job search, resume's and job search/applications. AI knocks out what is probably a large % of qualified applicants because of wording or abbreviations.
 
Is there any technical way while using the forum software to "unwrap" the most common abbreviations before posting ? Like the "Preview" button ? The software looks quite advanced - can this be baked in ?
Xenforo is capable, but to convert every instance of "V - R - P" to "Valvoline Restore and Protect" would break every instance of "V - R - P" that is not referring to "Valvoline Restore and Protect" and there are a couple other protects talked about here that have the same abbreviation.
 
I'm going to need a cut paste page on my computer but I will try. Will the searches find Restore and Protect when the actual product has Valvoline Restore and Protect. Those 150 page threads will be growing
Yes, because most people on the internet search for "Valvoline Restore and Protect", not "Valvoline Restore and Protect", however I believe google is pretty good at understanding intent.
 
Could this lead to less Valvoline Restore and Protect versions of War and Peace? 🧐 Maybe.
So the search issue - is that more relevant to the title of a thread?
If I was doing a report on it - in the body of the work the full name would have the acronym (VRP) after the first mention because it’s going to be mentioned 20 times in the report …
 
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