This experience could be a useful learning experience and warning for all of us that change our own oil.
Pennzoil 5w20 5 qt - something very wrong
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People may agree here but in real life I bet many would protest.
If I was a vendor of motor oil there would be a no return policy the minute it walks out the door.
There is no need to return oil. It allows c-r-a-p like this to happen. Although the cause of this is unknown. But that would be my policy.
If I was a vendor of motor oil there would be a no return policy the minute it walks out the door.
There is no need to return oil. It allows c-r-a-p like this to happen. Although the cause of this is unknown. But that would be my policy.
Indeed was Walmart, but I inspected the bottle. No evidence of foul play.
I love to assume Walmart, because of all that is commonly done.
However, this seems more of Pennzoil's filling error to the bottle. I plan to contact them today if I can.
Regardless, oil has a certified standard. If an invisible error hurt the engine, the company didn't meet a standard. One is not expected to determine good or bad as there is no indicator on the bottle.. just the stamp of the standards and list of standards.
Again, the oil drained was normal golden/black used oil.
The filled oil was odd.
The filled oil added drained was very odd.
This over the course of a day, and a single trip without any issue to the car demonstrates the oil used to fill it that one time is extremely likely to be the source of the foul product collected.
I love to assume Walmart, because of all that is commonly done.
However, this seems more of Pennzoil's filling error to the bottle. I plan to contact them today if I can.
Regardless, oil has a certified standard. If an invisible error hurt the engine, the company didn't meet a standard. One is not expected to determine good or bad as there is no indicator on the bottle.. just the stamp of the standards and list of standards.
Again, the oil drained was normal golden/black used oil.
The filled oil was odd.
The filled oil added drained was very odd.
This over the course of a day, and a single trip without any issue to the car demonstrates the oil used to fill it that one time is extremely likely to be the source of the foul product collected.
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Originally Posted By: trumpet12345
The jar hasn't changed yet, but I would imagine over time there will be separation unless it isn't water...
If its water you'll see very clear separation within seconds.
The jar hasn't changed yet, but I would imagine over time there will be separation unless it isn't water...
If its water you'll see very clear separation within seconds.
Seal broken, no buy it.
Then still inspect it that it looks normal.
Bizarre case, never heard of this. I have heard of Walmart employees swapping SuperTech 10w-30 dino oil for Pennzoil Platinum though, jug to jug.
Then still inspect it that it looks normal.
Bizarre case, never heard of this. I have heard of Walmart employees swapping SuperTech 10w-30 dino oil for Pennzoil Platinum though, jug to jug.
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If its water you'll see very clear separation within seconds.
True, unless perhaps it reacted... an acid or base within water or instead of water with the same flow properties as water...
If its water you'll see very clear separation within seconds.
True, unless perhaps it reacted... an acid or base within water or instead of water with the same flow properties as water...
Originally Posted By: trumpet12345
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If its water you'll see very clear separation within seconds.
True, unless perhaps it reacted... an acid or base within water or instead of water with the same flow properties as water...
An acid or base would make no difference, plus an acid or base is water. Acids and bases are not hydrocarbon based.
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If its water you'll see very clear separation within seconds.
True, unless perhaps it reacted... an acid or base within water or instead of water with the same flow properties as water...
An acid or base would make no difference, plus an acid or base is water. Acids and bases are not hydrocarbon based.
i have had oil caps come off of the bottle with with the tamper-ring intact, so its not hard to believe that someone filled it with something else, reinstalled the cap and returned it looking like it wasn't tampered with at all.
I agree with the majority.... you got duped and bought a jug that was returned to Walmart in a scam.
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Originally Posted By: trumpet12345
Due to the potential risk, it will be looked at by an independent trusted mechanic before moved further.
Not really sure what you expect him to do beyond what you've already done, which is another oil change to get the questionable stuff out.
It's certainly a shame this happened to you but just replacing the oil with known good fresh stuff is about all that can be done here.
Due to the potential risk, it will be looked at by an independent trusted mechanic before moved further.
Not really sure what you expect him to do beyond what you've already done, which is another oil change to get the questionable stuff out.
It's certainly a shame this happened to you but just replacing the oil with known good fresh stuff is about all that can be done here.
Originally Posted By: trumpet12345
The nasty "oil" was drained, and 6 quarts of oil were poured through directly until the drainage was golden like fresh oil.
6 new quarts of good 5w20 were added, and the vehicle was moved and idled and examined for any noises. None were noted.
Proper way to have done it would be repl filter, add new oil and idle it till it came up to temp, then change again... Just pouring oil through a engine will do nothing for oil hanging in valve cover, in crank, cam etc...
The nasty "oil" was drained, and 6 quarts of oil were poured through directly until the drainage was golden like fresh oil.
6 new quarts of good 5w20 were added, and the vehicle was moved and idled and examined for any noises. None were noted.
Proper way to have done it would be repl filter, add new oil and idle it till it came up to temp, then change again... Just pouring oil through a engine will do nothing for oil hanging in valve cover, in crank, cam etc...
Originally Posted By: trumpet12345
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In my experience, SOPUS oil bottles don't have foil seals but the cap does make the cracking noise when new like stchman said. Your experience will make me check every bottle of automotive fluid carefully before I pour it into my car.
O, sorry you are correct. I reexamined the yellow bottles ( I kept them, gut instinct despite being told to use them). The black lid did crack open, but yeah, these don't have silver seals. Been changing a lot of fliuds lately.
So you thought it had a seal, told us it was intact, but turns out it didn't have one? And I agree with the others that those tamper bands are sometimes removable without breaking.
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In my experience, SOPUS oil bottles don't have foil seals but the cap does make the cracking noise when new like stchman said. Your experience will make me check every bottle of automotive fluid carefully before I pour it into my car.
O, sorry you are correct. I reexamined the yellow bottles ( I kept them, gut instinct despite being told to use them). The black lid did crack open, but yeah, these don't have silver seals. Been changing a lot of fliuds lately.
So you thought it had a seal, told us it was intact, but turns out it didn't have one? And I agree with the others that those tamper bands are sometimes removable without breaking.
Those "crack off" cap seals aren't 100% reliable. During the hot summer months, I've been able to unscrew them without breaking the seal ring- the plastic gets stretchy. A nefarious person could easily remove and replace a cap without breaking the ring with a heat gun or hair dryer handy. Much as I HATE having to pop out those foil seals, they are indeed safer.
Bottom line, never ASSume that a jug cannot be tampered with, and if the oil doesn't look like you expect it to look... Do. Not. Use.
I think this is on WalMart and not SOPUS.
Bottom line, never ASSume that a jug cannot be tampered with, and if the oil doesn't look like you expect it to look... Do. Not. Use.
I think this is on WalMart and not SOPUS.
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An acid or base would make no difference, plus an acid or base is water. Acids and bases are not hydrocarbon based.
Acid or bases are certainly not just water. Inorganic chemistry vs organic chemistry in regards to acid basic chemistry and their interactions are much different in reaction rate, product formation, and just what in regards you are reacting together.
Propanoic acid is far from water, with just a fully saturated hydrocarbon propane being oxidized into that acid.
Oil is certainly sensitive to reactants. Many of which I assume are involved in the purification process, cleaning process, etc.
So should pennzoil add a foil seal like some companies do? IS that a standard they should have to prevent this? Is Walmart at fault for employee or customer abuses? Should the end user be provided with a quality indicator guide with an oil purchase?
An acid or base would make no difference, plus an acid or base is water. Acids and bases are not hydrocarbon based.
Acid or bases are certainly not just water. Inorganic chemistry vs organic chemistry in regards to acid basic chemistry and their interactions are much different in reaction rate, product formation, and just what in regards you are reacting together.
Propanoic acid is far from water, with just a fully saturated hydrocarbon propane being oxidized into that acid.
Oil is certainly sensitive to reactants. Many of which I assume are involved in the purification process, cleaning process, etc.
So should pennzoil add a foil seal like some companies do? IS that a standard they should have to prevent this? Is Walmart at fault for employee or customer abuses? Should the end user be provided with a quality indicator guide with an oil purchase?
Right. Of course I only have a minor in chemistry so sure, whatever you say. Make sure you tell SOPUS your hypothesis when you contact them.
Originally Posted By: trumpet12345
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An acid or base would make no difference, plus an acid or base is water. Acids and bases are not hydrocarbon based.
Acid or bases are certainly not just water. Inorganic chemistry vs organic chemistry in regards to acid basic chemistry and their interactions are much different in reaction rate, product formation, and just what in regards you are reacting together.
Propanoic acid is far from water, with just a fully saturated hydrocarbon propane being oxidized into that acid.
Oil is certainly sensitive to reactants. Many of which I assume are involved in the purification process, cleaning process, etc.
Originally Posted By: trumpet12345
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An acid or base would make no difference, plus an acid or base is water. Acids and bases are not hydrocarbon based.
Acid or bases are certainly not just water. Inorganic chemistry vs organic chemistry in regards to acid basic chemistry and their interactions are much different in reaction rate, product formation, and just what in regards you are reacting together.
Propanoic acid is far from water, with just a fully saturated hydrocarbon propane being oxidized into that acid.
Oil is certainly sensitive to reactants. Many of which I assume are involved in the purification process, cleaning process, etc.
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Right. Of course I only have a minor in chemistry so sure, whatever you say.
Well, I have the exact same - minor in chemistry.
All acids and bases are not water, nor does all acid and base chemistry have to involve water. I don't throw around my degrees or what not... especially if I am using them as a base (lol pun) for a statement. A degree is earned, not a weapon to defend blanketed statements.
Whether you agree with bronsted-lowry or lewis, or study mostly organic chemistry... I have a hard time believing a knee jerk statement relating to acid and bases.
Anhydrous acid base chemistry... is plentiful.
Either way, If I'm dealing with an oil swindler at the local Wallyworld, I have to ensure this doesn't happen again and I at least get my money back on the oil.
I have no exact reasoning on what was in the bottle. It could be simple, it could be complex.. it could be activated by heat or it could not.
I know enough to know I don't know, at least yet.
I just hope it didn't do long term damage.
Likely is water, all bets on the table.
Right. Of course I only have a minor in chemistry so sure, whatever you say.
All acids and bases are not water, nor does all acid and base chemistry have to involve water. I don't throw around my degrees or what not... especially if I am using them as a base (lol pun) for a statement. A degree is earned, not a weapon to defend blanketed statements.
Whether you agree with bronsted-lowry or lewis, or study mostly organic chemistry... I have a hard time believing a knee jerk statement relating to acid and bases.
Anhydrous acid base chemistry... is plentiful.
Either way, If I'm dealing with an oil swindler at the local Wallyworld, I have to ensure this doesn't happen again and I at least get my money back on the oil.
I have no exact reasoning on what was in the bottle. It could be simple, it could be complex.. it could be activated by heat or it could not.
I know enough to know I don't know, at least yet.
I just hope it didn't do long term damage.
Likely is water, all bets on the table.
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It's super easy to keep the ring on
Originally Posted By: mclasser
In my experience, SOPUS oil bottles don't have foil seals but the cap does make the cracking noise when new like stchman said.
That cracking noise isn't good enough for me. I gotta have a foil seal that's tight with no wrinkles and well adhered to the bottle.
In my experience, SOPUS oil bottles don't have foil seals but the cap does make the cracking noise when new like stchman said.
That cracking noise isn't good enough for me. I gotta have a foil seal that's tight with no wrinkles and well adhered to the bottle.
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