Pennzoil 5w20 5 qt - something very wrong

[Merkava_4]

Originally Posted By: spasm3
On one hand i agree, but i think unscrupulous individuals may have figured out a way to take the cap off with out breaking the cap rings. I may test my theory out on the next jug i buy and see if i can open it without breaking the ring.


How are they gonna get passed the bottles with foil seals? They don't peel off. I gotta take an X-acto knife and cut around the inside perimeter.

 

[spasm3]

Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Originally Posted By: spasm3
On one hand i agree, but i think unscrupulous individuals may have figured out a way to take the cap off with out breaking the cap rings. I may test my theory out on the next jug i buy and see if i can open it without breaking the ring.


How are they gonna get passed the bottles with foil seals? They don't peel off. I gotta take an X-acto knife and cut around the inside perimeter.


Thats my point, if they are able to put the cap back on with out cracking the ring apart, The walmart employee is not going to crack the bottle cap to check the foil seal if the ring is intact. Otherwise they would have to put the bottle back on the shelf with the bottle cap ring broken, who wants to buy that?

 

[shiny]

Originally Posted By: spasm3
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Originally Posted By: spasm3
On one hand i agree, but i think unscrupulous individuals may have figured out a way to take the cap off with out breaking the cap rings. I may test my theory out on the next jug i buy and see if i can open it without breaking the ring.


How are they gonna get passed the bottles with foil seals? They don't peel off. I gotta take an X-acto knife and cut around the inside perimeter.


Thats my point, if they are able to put the cap back on with out cracking the ring apart, The walmart employee is not going to crack the bottle cap to check the foil seal if the ring is intact. Otherwise they would have to put the bottle back on the shelf with the bottle cap ring broken, who wants to buy that?

I guess the thing to do is open the bottles in front of a store employee to check the seals before leaving the premises.

Do oils you get from Walmart by ordering online for home delivery have the same problem of tampering?

 

[69GTX]

Originally Posted By: BobThe
Honestly after reading that folks have been returning used oil and filters to WALMART, I always turn on the flashlight on my phone shake up the jug of oil and shine the light in the little clear plastic usage windows and compare the color to a few others to make sure they all look the same.



Thanks for posting this. I got out my $1 Walmart LED flashlight and tried this. Quite simple and fairly effective. Since the bottles and jugs are translucent, you can shine the light on one side and look for that golden/bronze color. A little shaking will tell you the clinging droplets and feel is probably oil. I shook one of my 5 qt M1 jugs a bit too hard and the foil seal came lose on one side. In any case this is a good method for verifying you're not buying used black oil, white paint, water, or something not quite like motor oil. My stash is good.

Fwiw both of my jugs of M1 0w-40 had outside plastic cap seals broken around half way around. Didn't notice that when I bought them. I'll do better next time.

 

[Dallas69]

Last year I was in WM and saw a jug of PartsMaster oil.
I knew it did not belong so I took it to the manager.
Upon inspection it was full of used oil.
My guess is it was dropped off for recycling and ended up on the shelf even though it clearly was not a brand they sold.
Look closely before you buy.

 

[GenesisGuy70]

Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Send some in for a UOA.


+1. This will cost you but a UOA could be the smoking gun you need if this were to lead litigation. I would do a few very very short OCI's and get as much out as possible. Don't waste money on synthetics. PYB a few times and should be fine since you only ran it about 5 miles. Operative word being "should". If that is water in it lets hope it had enough lubricating abilities still.

My sister had the same thing happen to her with antifreeze. I told her she was low and needed to get a jug. This was last winter. Couple days later I saw her and told her to grab the jug for me from her trunk. It was frozen solid. It was pure water. Someone used and returned. There's a special place in h*ll for people like that.

 

[flatlandtacoma]

Originally Posted By: spasm3
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Originally Posted By: spasm3
The only way to fix this is for wal mart not to take oil back once it's sold.


That's not fair to the guy that buys the wrong viscosity by mistake. The employees should be trained on how to inspect seals.


On one hand i agree, but i think unscrupulous individuals may have figured out a way to take the cap off with out breaking the cap rings. I may test my theory out on the next jug i buy and see if i can open it without breaking the ring.


It has happened to me without trying, so I know it can be done. I don't know what the secret would be, probably heat up the cap like somebody said.

 

[Merkava_4]

Something is very wrong with that engine if it was driven 5 miles with 5 quarts of water in there.

 

[Gasbuggy]

You saved the jug, any pic of the inside of it? Also, Walmart has pretty intelligent system, they may know if that individual item was returned, and by who. I would have them scan it and see what shows in their system.

My hunch is your jeep will be ok.

I had PP 5 quart jug lid come off with seal intact once. I'm pretty sure I can get one off without breaking it.

 

[spasm3]

Originally Posted By: flatlandtacoma

It has happened to me without trying, so I know it can be done. I don't know what the secret would be, probably heat up the cap like somebody said.


I have a theory, and i will test it. If its sucessful, i'll post that it can be done, but not how its done.

 

[Stewart Fan]

Originally Posted By: spasm3
Originally Posted By: flatlandtacoma

It has happened to me without trying, so I know it can be done. I don't know what the secret would be, probably heat up the cap like somebody said.


I have a theory, and i will test it. If its sucessful, i'll post that it can be done, but not how its done.


I opened 5 bottles of M1 0w-30 yesterday morning. It was 35°F and the bottles had sat in the car overnight.

I wasn't trying to ,but every cap came off without breaking free from the ring.

 

[cptbarkey]

Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Something is very wrong with that engine if it was driven 5 miles with 5 quarts of water in there.


possibly, you are sort of rehashing what you already said. i'll resay what someone else already said, youtube is full of cash for clunkers videos of vehicles running for a considerably long time (5-10+ minutes) on a water/sodium solution.

 

[kschachn]

Originally Posted By: spasm3
I have a theory, and i will test it. If its sucessful, i'll post that it can be done, but not how its done.


There's no need to be cryptic, I tested it out tonight using a hair dryer to heat the cap first. Both that I tried (a quart ATF bottle and a 5-quart M1 jug) came open without breaking. The ring is somewhat distorted however and would probably be noticeable if you were looking for it.

 

[spasm3]

Originally Posted By: kschachn
Originally Posted By: spasm3
I have a theory, and i will test it. If its sucessful, i'll post that it can be done, but not how its done.


There's no need to be cryptic, I tested it out tonight using a hair dryer to heat the cap first. Both that I tried (a quart ATF bottle and a 5-quart M1 jug) came open without breaking. The ring is somewhat distorted however and would probably be noticeable if you were looking for it.


I don't want to encourage or enable some one who might return used oil by how to do it.

 

[ZeeOSix]

The world is pretty sad when scumbags have to return oil jugs with used oil or whatever in them.

 

[bigt61]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
The world is pretty sad when scumbags have to return oil jugs with used oil or whatever in them.

Yeah, but in the realm of transgressions against humanity, it's relatively small potatoes. Annoying, silly and petty.

 

[dlundblad]

Originally Posted By: spasm3
Originally Posted By: flatlandtacoma

It has happened to me without trying, so I know it can be done. I don't know what the secret would be, probably heat up the cap like somebody said.


I have a theory, and i will test it. If its sucessful, i'll post that it can be done, but not how its done.


If you walked the ring off with a knife, it should be good.

I have had this happen to me too. (The ring removal.. not buying used oil.)

 

[dlundblad]

We have seen here several times how important it is to check any sort of car products before purchasing. Brake fluid, oil filters, etc.

One guy here bought a Fram Ultra only to find it was replaced with an Extra Guard. To top that off, it wasn't even the correct sized filter so he had to put the old one back on to get to the store...

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: bigt61
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
The world is pretty sad when scumbags have to return oil jugs with used oil or whatever in them.

Yeah, but in the realm of transgressions against humanity, it's relatively small potatoes. Annoying, silly and petty.


Just goes to show that the scumbags will try every angle imaginable to cheat their way through life, and it seems the the percentage of scumbags is ever increasing in society, giving you a good indicator of where it's all heading.

 

[Gasbuggy]

update?