Same as Mobil 1 EP 0W-20, which some consider on here a superior product because of its better base oil (PAO).
Not that any six-pack-and-hot-dog-guy will ever care about the quality of the base oil used.
PAO (up to 70%) in some Lucas Synthetics
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Not that any six-pack-and-hot-dog-guy will ever care about the quality of the base oil used.
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SO is lucas oil stabilizer just a joke?
I have been using this in my cherokee for well over 10yrs and I never really had any complaints about anything bad happening. Other than the other topic that is on the list of topics. I wanted to get down the the nit'n'gritty on why the lucas is bad for adding to the oil? I have been using...
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LOS is apparently 124cSt, which doesn't even appear on J300. For perspective the SAE 60 grade ends at 26.1cSt.
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OVERKILL said:
licensing fees - its a racket on many levels.
Perhaps in some instances, but the overall benefit is guaranteed performance to an established standard. I think the bigger racket are the blenders that obfuscate which approvals and licenses the oil has and does not have, and then often word it as to deceive.
They do have a "low viscosity" version that is only 19.7 cst.
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IMO, it is dishonest to claim that an oil "meets or exceeds" a specification if you or your supplier have not run and passed all of the tests required for that specification. That's the expensive part. If you have run and passed all of the required tests, then approval fees are relatively cheap. If you haven't run and passed all of the required tests, then you have no business claiming the oil "meets or exceeds" the specification.
FYI, the API license application fee is only $4,500 plus 0.7 cents per gallon for volumes sold over one million gallons. A drop in the bucket compared to the hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars needed to run and pass the engine tests.
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FYI, the API license application fee is only $4,500 plus 0.7 cents per gallon for volumes sold over one million gallons. A drop in the bucket compared to the hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars needed to run and pass the engine tests.
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No it is not. It is actually very cheap. And approvals are not licensing fees.
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Not sure how to take either of these
For VW approval goes around $4,000.
Like you said, they did all testing but cannot shall out $4,000? How yes no!
The "Recommended For" labeling sometimes seen is a more honest approach IMO.
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BTW, that license # isn't on the Dexos 1 Gen 2 page:
Not sure what to make of that, as all the current formulas are SP, so Lucas has had quite a while to get it on there.
What are some of the current fee structures in place today?
Whats dexos license / approval cost ?
When dexos was first introduced, the cost was $1000/product, 36 cents/gal thereafter.
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When I see an API starburst, I see an oil restricted in its formulation because of emissions requirements. I couldn't care less for an API logo. I care about what's actually in the oil.
Ideally, you wouldn't want a daily commuter oil to be >50% PAO anyway. Group III will have better additive response, greater solubility, and higher P-V coefficient in the temperature range seen by a daily commuter.
The KV100 of LoS is ~120 cSt. It's just a heavy olefin copolymer (VII) and not the good shear resistant kind either. It contains no additives whatsoever. I think I calculated the profit margin of that stuff at somewhere around 5,000%.
Ideally, you wouldn't want a daily commuter oil to be >50% PAO anyway. Group III will have better additive response, greater solubility, and higher P-V coefficient in the temperature range seen by a daily commuter.
The KV100 of LoS is ~120 cSt. It's just a heavy olefin copolymer (VII) and not the good shear resistant kind either. It contains no additives whatsoever. I think I calculated the profit margin of that stuff at somewhere around 5,000%.
I'd bet it isnt that smple and that there is a per (quantity) surcharge.
I agree that some of the Lucas products are worthless, but this does not mean that all of their products are junk. Just like every other company...some items are top notch and others are turds.
My point is that I won't avoid an entire company just because they sell a few turds. But hopefully after a few experiences I will have the wherewithal to distinguish the turds from the treasures.
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