Paid posters for Auto Rx

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Originally Posted By: expat
Originally Posted By: Mystic


We live in a complicated world. It is impossible for any single human being to be an expert on everything. We have to be able to trust what experts say. And if the experts are determined to be 'on the take' what do people do then?


Yes.
But ultimately, I believe, the consensus of the 'many' will make the truth apparent.
I bought Arx after joining this forum, In a small way, I feel I was used.
But no hard feelings, What the heck, it wasn't the first or last time.
And as I have said, I still believe Arx (the product) has some value, regardless of how Arx the company operates.


Never heard of ARX til I got here. I'm using it now. I don't intend to buy it again once I run out. Not because I think it's a bad product, or because of Frank's lack of people skills. But because it costs too much.

I've also used FP60, but I haven't seen where it does better than TC-W3/MMO.
 
I am not going to say too much here but there may have been others who were not exactly 'candid' with what they said about Auto-RX. But now they can live with what they said.

Ultimately the truth has a way of coming out. Hey, if I was ripped off there is little that can be done about it now. The only thing I know for a FACT is that a seal leak stopped after I used Auto-RX. So like you say it may well have some value.

We were indeed used if various people here, including people who were supposed to be experts, made statements to convince people to use Auto-RX (if they knew those statements were not true). If that is true, now they can live with themselves. It might get harder to do as time goes on. Most people have some sort of a conscience, or develop something in the way of a conscience when they get older and reflect a little bit.
 
Originally Posted By: sprintman
I pay A$660 a case and will continue to but I wish transport cost was less. Sea freight seems to be out these days.


I remember S&H charges to Canada to be excessive.
(I have many items per year shipped from the U.S.)
 
Originally Posted By: Mystic
I do have a problem believing what somebody says about MMO if they have already admitted to have been, or claimed to have been a secret promoter of Auto-RX. Although of course MMO is much cheaper than MMO. Hopefully Turtle Wax is an honest company.



I remember coming on here and posting about my observations with arx in early 2008 and being called an ARX Robot. I believe many members did not take my arx posts seriously since they had used arx and it did not work for them. I also had a few members who Pmed me and said my arx posts were a little more than they could handle, and could I tone it down.

I posted about my observations with arx and I was either ignored or called an arx cheerleader, when I did my ARX & MMO Post I tried to show everyone how they could get results with arx for the Clean Phase and MMO for the Rinse Phase, instead I was attacked and I decided to just use MMO. I could have very easily stopped using arx and jumped ship to MMO and not have told everyone. I could have easily kept posting about arx, but that would not have been the right thing to do.

There are many members who use an oil additive and then decide for whatever reason to try another oil additive, if I had not Pmed a member on here about why he did not get results with arx, I probably would not have used MMO, he related his experiences with MMO and I decided to give the product a try.

I also realize that back in 2007 my mistake was that I did not go back through the oil additive section and read every thread about arx, if I had, then I would never have bought the product. I just kind of went through the 1st and 2nd pages on BITOG and then I contacted arx and bought the product.

As far as MMO goes, I am not saying anything different than any other member who is using the product in there oil or fuel.

I also have to say that there are quite a few reasons why MMO is cheaper than arx, even Neutra is cheaper than arx.

Arx is packaged, processed, and shipped from Michigan to Florida, someone buys some arx and it is shipped to the customer, this product is DOUBLE SHIPPED, can you imagine someone from Michigan ordering arx and maybe they actually live a few miles away from the plant that processes arx, its shipped to Florida and right back to Michigan.

Products like Neutra, MMO, Rislone, and Seafoam have an advantage over arx since the companies making these oil additives probably do everything in house and since they sell alot of product they can buy the raw materials cheaper, the more raw materials you buy the cheaper it is.

Since arx does not sell much product, they buy less raw materials so the price is higher. I also remember when some members here asked arx to make a bigger bottle, something like a 16 ounce or 32 ounce bottle of arx, it did not happen, how about a clear bottle of arx, just did not happen.

Back when arx was a sponsor, I think they missed a golden oppurtunity to build a relationship with Schaeffer's, they could have sold arx for the Clean Phase and Neutra for the Rinse Phase, but arx did not want any other oil additive in the mix, I remember when I asked an arx moderator about MMO and Neutra, and he told me that he either used MMO or Neutra 500 miles before his oil changes, I asked him why, he said arx is such a mild cleaner and that it works so slow that Neutra and MMO speed up the cleaning process.

As far as Turtle Wax goes, if you think for a minute that they are not an honest company, you can checkout the MMO Forum and see for yourself that they do not bash other products on there forum, there company spokesperson is a real nice guy like Dave over at Redline.
 
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Originally Posted By: sprintman
RX does not sell much product? One printing company spent US$28,800 on one application on one press and they have plenty of those. Add robust sales in 20 countries and you need to think again. Just exactly what is your problem?

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Did you sell this to them or see proof of such a sale or is this like the government contracts?
 
Originally Posted By: sprintman
Can you read? the name of the maintenance head is on the other post but you seem to have trouble reading. texans are strange.

Cool story, brah.
 
Originally Posted By: sprintman
Here you are texan. I hate spoon feeding you but you obviously need assistance.

http://www.3-rxlubricationsystems.com/Rex3Printing.htm

cheers..s


Stephen, I checked the link out, another arx testimonial, anyone could have written it, it really shows us nothing, we do not need to hear about so called printing press sales, we drive cars, not printing presses.
 
Kindly pointing this out....

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we do not need to hear about


Ooommm, Kemo Sabe ... who is this "we", pale face - Tonto
 
I am assuming the industrial printing press stuff is much different? It has a much higher price tag, $26,000 for 3 gallons. 3 gallons of ARx would be expensive but still but still under $1000 with even shipping and no volume discount.
 
Originally Posted By: sprintman
But your not.. Dumb people everywhere these days.


*yawn* Again with the personal attacks. That speaks much more loudly than your seemingly "inside" information about ARX sales.

Hmmmm....
 
Well, I was a major supporter of Auto-RX because it seemed to work and stop a seal leak in a car I used to own. I will say that first before I say what I am going to say next.

Even though I was a supporter of Auto-RX the additive section here came to be so dominated by Auto-RX posts that for a while it seemed like any other discussion of anything else was hardly even allowed. Heck, I tried to bring some other stuff up myself. Frank of Auto-RX attacked me in a reply to a post I made. Basically all I remember saying in that post was that if anything cheaper than Auto-RX was found to work as good as Auto-RX that would be good.

I have no idea how this 3-RX stuff used in the printing industry compares with Auto-RX. It may be similar stuff or completely different. The way I read that information about 3-RX it probably did not cost them that much money per gal. They probably bought a barrel (or barrels) of the stuff and just used 3 gallons for one printing press. Printing presses are obviously not automobile engines and we do not know how the chemistry of 3-RX and Auto-RX compare.

I was disappointed when Auto-RX would not make available a clear bottle for Auto-RX with markings so that a person could measure out maintenance doses. Supposedly it would have raised the cost per bottle too much.

I want to make clear that I am not biased against MMO. I have used the stuff myself and did not find it to be some sort of miracle product. People need to realize that if it breaks down and forms acid in the engine that is not good for the engine. And if it contains clorinated hydrocarbons that probably is not good for people exposed to it.

If MMO really does prove to be a great internal engine cleaner that is wonderful. It costs only about three bucks and is readily available at Wal-Mart. Who can complain about that? But since it may break down and form acidic material and it may reduce oil viscosity I think if I used it in an engine I would use just enough to get the job done and in cold weather and about 500 miles before I was going to do an oil change preferably right before I took a long trip. The less time it spent in the engine the less time it has to break down and form undesirable acid. I think I would prefer a little sludge in the engine compared to acid eating at bearings.

And before I tried MMO I would probably order some Lubegard Engine Flush. I have had good experiences with Lubegard products. An interesting experiment would be to do an oil change, have fresh clear oil in the engine (Valvoline seems to be a really clear oil), and do an engine flush with the Lubegard product. If the clear oil turned dark in only 20 minutes of idling apparently the Lubegard product would be effective.

If there were people here doing cleanings with Auto-RX and then using MMO or Neutra for the rinse period they should in my opinion have made that information available to everybody-just as a public service so to speak. Of course Frank probably would have said something about that when he was still a member here. He was not a happy camper with discussion of any other product, especially solvents of any kind.

I don't know anything about this double shipping of Auto-RX. If that is one of the reasons Auto-RX costs so much it would be in their interest to stop that so that they could reduce the price and sell more product.
 
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