Paid posters for Auto Rx

[Mystic]

I have to admit that I am rapidly losing faith in Auto-RX, but I am not becoming a convert to MMO either. I don't especially like the idea of pouring a solvent into my engine oil that can affect the viscosity of my oil. There are too many alternatives and at least one of the MMO proponents here admitted being a paid secret promotoer of Auto-RX.

Even when it comes to the gasoline there are products I would prefer over MMO such as Regane or Techron or Lucas Fuel System Cleaner.

And there are plenty of alternatives to MMO. First, we don't have to use anything but quality motor oil anyway. There are motor oils that might clean better than conventional motor oils. There are services at auto repair facilities such as non-solvent engine cleaning. And there are products like Lubegard Engine Flush and Amsoil Engine Flush.

And with everything that has happened here with Auto-RX the MMO proponents are going to have to convince me that MMO is some sort of miracle product.

If I find out there are secret paid promoters of MMO I will not use Turtle Wax products again. There are other brands.

 

[labman]

I just replaced the Pennzoil YB I used in my truck for most of 30 years with Mobil 1. With 3 month OCI, it had always stayed fairly clean without any additives. Can I hope it will stay clean with the M1 and longer OCI?

 

[Peter_Smith]

Originally Posted By: Mystic


If I find out there are secret paid promoters of MMO I will not use Turtle Wax products again. There are other brands.


I dont think their is pay post for MMO. Its available every auto part store, walmart...... if it not selling well, the store would not carry it. it dont need to say how good the product is to convince peoples to buying it like auto rx. beside a gallon of MMO is like 10 buck, and it last you a very long time. I mean very long time, unless you own multi cars.

 

[Trajan]

Originally Posted By: Mystic


And with everything that has happened here with Auto-RX the MMO proponents are going to have to convince me that MMO is some sort of miracle product.



So why don't you try it for yourself? Then you can decide instead of having others decide for you.

Paid posters or not. Secret or not. If it works for you, they won't matter.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: Mystic


And with everything that has happened here with Auto-RX the MMO proponents are going to have to convince me that MMO is some sort of miracle product.



So why don't you try it for yourself? Then you can decide instead of having others decide for you.

Paid posters or not. Secret or not. If it works for you, they won't matter.


+1 That is exactly what I did with A-Rx. I read about it, and then tried it for myself. It makes it easier to post about products I've tried.

 

[Mystic]

I knew about MMO many years ago. It has been around since something like the 1930s or even the 1920s. MMO was supposed to have been used in B-17s flying across the Atlantic Ocean to Europe in WWII.

I have tried it mainly in gasoline and in the oil in older cars I used to own. It never really seemed to do anything when put into the oil. In fact I tried it in this one old car I used to own and it make funny noises.

MMO is old technology. Think of the progress that has been made in chemistry since MMO was first developed. Regane, Techron, or Lucas fuel system cleaners are probably much more advanced for fuel system cleaning. And I would guess that Amsoil did some actual testing on Amsoil Engine Flush. Why not use a product that does not cost that much and was actually developed for engine cleaning?

Some people here seem to be trying to find the cheapest product that they can. I can understand that, but if some product that was especially developed for the job costs only a few dollars more what difference does it make?

Now Auto-RX is expensive. But Amsoil Engline Flush and Lubegard Engine Flush are not that expensive. A person could order the Lubegard product online and the Amsoil product can be found by visiting any Amsoil dealer.

Amsoil is not exactly some tiny little company nobody ever heard of. My best guess is that Amsoil probably knows what it is doing.

Some people make a big deal here of products like MMO like these products are newly discovered miracle cures. I am an old guy. MMO is old stuff. Older than STP Oil Treatment. Older than Tufoil or Slick50. Older than the graphite (Krex) and Moly oil supplements that used to be sold. Older than the BG stuff. The old timers knew of this stuff before some people here were even born.

I agree. Paid posters or not, if something works for me it does not matter. But many of us depend on information at this website to help us make decisions about stuff. After I, I don't own an engine lab. I am not some big shot at ExxonMobil who can order an engine sequence test. So paid posters do kind of matter. I want to hear the truth about products-not what somebody is being paid to say.

 

[demarpaint]

I'm an older guy too, at least my son and co-workers think so. I keep an open mind, and stick to products that work. I've tried many of the newer products and was disappointed. So I keep going back to old faithful. I don't know how much the chemistry of sludge and varnish has changed in engines. I'm pretty sure it was more of a problem years ago than it is now. So maybe in this case the older [as some call it solvent technology] is better for cleaning than newer green technology?

BTW I think Lubegard makes some great products and I plan on trying their Bio-Tech Engine Protectant. Amsoil Power Foam works great, I haven't tried their flush yet. I believe that Amsoil Engine Flush isn't green technology, but I'm sure it works well.

 

[Mystic]

I don't know if Mobil 1 will clean better than Pennzoil YB. Some people believe that the Mobil 1 High Mileage oil has more actual synthetic oil in it because of a lower pour point. And ExxonMobil has made some claims about the cleaning ability of Mobil 1 HM.

If a synthetic oil like Mobil 1 HM or Pennzoil Platinum really will clean like they claim there would be no need for these engine cleaners. A person could just start using a better quality motor oil. And the cleaning would probably be safer than using a flush like Amsoil Engine Flush because it would probably require a few OCIs for the cleaning to take place.

For somebody who prefers conventional oil maybe use Lubegard Engine Flush and see if it does any good. At least it is a non-solvent cleaner.

 

[labman]

I am an older guy too, and I remember when people wouldn't lie for peanuts. I think it is absolutely disgusting how common posting to the internet for personal gain is. How can anybody believe anything?

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: labman
I am an older guy too, and I remember when people wouldn't lie for peanuts. I think it is absolutely disgusting how common posting to the internet for personal gain is. How can anybody believe anything?


+1 What I found is the Internet "hopefully" helps people learn to differentiate [censored] from reality. If they can't differentiate [censored] from reality they'll learn the hard way.

 

[Mystic]

I have tried the Lubegard Bio-Tech Engine Protectant. I only have my own personal experiences and I don't have any proof. But the first time I tried the Lubegard Bio-Tech product it seemed like my engine ran much smoother. That is just a personal observation. But I stopped using it because the Lubegard Bio-Tech stuff was too expensive to use every oil change.

Lubegard Power Steering Supplement seemed to stop a squeal in a power steering unit immediately and permanently. I was impressed.

And like I said I have personally seen Lubegard products in automatic transmission shops. But I never tried any because it has been several years since I owned an automatic transmission car. I bought a new car with a manual transmission back in 1994. And before that I had owned a used car with a manual transmission. I don't know how long Lubegard products have been around.

If possible I would rather use the newer 'green' technology that is better for the environment. And safer for the user. But I agree that some of the older stuff never seems to go away. Hoppes No. 9 is still good for cleaning gun barrels.

Some of the newer stuff is actually MORE dangerous than the older, simpler stuff. I have little use for clorinated hydrocarbon stuff.

 

[demarpaint]

A lot of shops use Lubegard, I used it in a transmission and was happy with it. I think they make some great products, a little high priced but very good.

I have nothing against green technology, and do what I can to help the environment. I can tell you from my 30+ years in the painting business that the move toward green has really hurt a lot of the better products. But the EPA seems to call the shots and we use what is available now. I'll take oil trim paint , the non VOC mix over the VOC oil trim paints any day of the week. Oh well.

 

[Mystic]

Yes labman times sure have changed. I remember when a known liar did not receive very much respect. Now a lot of people seem to think everything, including the truth, is relative. They think they can twist the truth whenever it profits them. But is it not amazing how these same people don't like being lied to themselves!

I am a big believer in the old fashioned 'Golden Rule.' Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. There would be a lot less problems in this world if people followed that rule.

We live in a complicated world. It is impossible for any single human being to be an expert on everything. We have to be able to trust what experts say. And if the experts are determined to be 'on the take' what do people do then?

 

[severach]

Originally Posted By: bigdreama
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Have you tried blocking off a small section of the radiator during the winter for faster warm ups? JMO

Isn't that why they put thermostats in cooling systems?

Engines lose a lot of heat from the air that flows around. A radiator block cuts this air flow while the cold air ensures there will be enough radiator area to cool properly. The farther into the cold you go the more popular radiator blocks get.

I'm Turtle Wax and I approved this message.

 

[labman]

Ah yes, the expert the knows more and more about less and less until he knows everything there is about nothing.

 

[Mystic]

That is very good-and true. I have known a few people who could tell you a lot about some tiny little area where they were considered experts, and otherwise they knew little about the rest of the world.

It was like they never left their tiny little departments where they worked. The common every day world outside was like an alien planet to them. They couldn't tell you that geese flew south.

 

[sprintman]

15 pages and I still don't know who if anybody got paid. Where did this originate?

 

[Mystic]

I am not 100% ready to believe that ANYBODY received under the table payments or product for promotion of Auto-RX. No way am I going to go through all of this post again. I think there was one guy who claimed he received free product and was asked to continue posting positive posts for Auto-RX. There may have been more that claimed the same but like I said-no way I am going through all of this post again. It would probably take an hour at least just to read through all of this stuff.

I have to admit that my confidence in Auto-RX has been affected negatively because of this post. I was probably one of the greatest promoters of Auto-RX here (and I did not get any free bottles!).

 

[expat]

Originally Posted By: Mystic


We live in a complicated world. It is impossible for any single human being to be an expert on everything. We have to be able to trust what experts say. And if the experts are determined to be 'on the take' what do people do then?


Yes.
But ultimately, I believe, the consensus of the 'many' will make the truth apparent.
I bought Arx after joining this forum, In a small way, I feel I was used.
But no hard feelings, What the heck, it wasn't the first or last time.
And as I have said, I still believe Arx (the product) has some value, regardless of how Arx the company operates.

 

[Trajan]

Originally Posted By: labman
I am an older guy too, and I remember when people wouldn't lie for peanuts. I think it is absolutely disgusting how common posting to the internet for personal gain is. How can anybody believe anything?


Take it with a healthy dose of skepticism, and find out for yourself.