P1 filter pics

[SuperBusa]

Originally Posted By: labman
Anybody remember SuperBusa complaining about being able to peal Ecore endcaps away from the media? But in a 2-3 times as much P1, it is fine if you can peal the media away from the endcap.


You need to re-read what mechanicx said. Comprehension is a fine skill to have.

Loving the Ecore is hard to do.

 

[SuperBusa]

Originally Posted By: mechanicx

Where do you see I said it was easy to pull the media off the end caps? I had to cut the media with a razor all around the circumference which was not easy, then pry it apart with an 18" screwdriver. I never separated the media from the glued joint. I pried and broke the media off the end caps.


Originally Posted By: JT1
It took a dead-blow hammer and some channel locks to remove the end-caps from my purolator classic.


And in comparison, I can totally destroy an Ecore in 5 seconds with my bare hands!

 

[labman]

Originally Posted By: SuperBusa
Originally Posted By: labman
Anybody remember SuperBusa complaining about being able to peal Ecore endcaps away from the media? But in a 2-3 times as much P1, it is fine if you can peal the media away from the endcap.


You need to re-read what mechanicx said. Comprehension is a fine skill to have.

Loving the Ecore is hard to do.

You could do with some comprehension yourself. Try reading my post. I never said it was easy to peal the media away, just that a good bonding job would never peal off cleanly.

 

[webfors]

Originally Posted By: labman
Squirm, squirm, squirm, if something is bonded properly, it doesn't peel off leaving clean metal behind.


Think of the thick glue bonding of the media as amazingly well bonded and sealed plastic end caps, with the extra support of metal end caps. Sounds like a good design to me any way you want to look at it.

This is the way a filter should be made, and it's nice to see filter manufacturers that agree.

 

[mechanicx]

Originally Posted By: webfors
Originally Posted By: labman
Squirm, squirm, squirm, if something is bonded properly, it doesn't peel off leaving clean metal behind.


Think of the thick glue bonding of the media as amazingly well bonded and sealed plastic end caps, with the extra support of metal end caps. Sounds like a good design to me any way you want to look at it.

This is the way a filter should be made, and it's nice to see filter manufacturers that agree.



Exactly, the clean metal labman is seeing is just the result of prying and breaking with a large screwdriver the hard smooth plastic cap from the metal end cap. The key thing isn't that the glue there didn't leave residue between a hard plastic interface and the steel end cap. The key is the amount of force it takes to separate it or the strength of the joint. Since it required prying around the circumference of the end cap with large screwdriver until the plastic cap broke off in pieces, I'd say the joint is plenty strong.

 

[labman]

Nonsense. I have a big screwdriver too. I still had parts of the last STP I ran. I had to use it and a hammer to flatten the center core to get the end cap loose. Then with more hammering, I managed to remove some of the media and glue, but like any well bonded joint, there was a residue of glue on both sides. I couldn't peal a big piece loose. It was too well bonded.

STP, same price as a Purolator Classic, same amount of media, same results in River Rat's tests, properly bonded together, and made in America by an American company. No German junk for me.

 

[Sayjac]

^^^^

 

[mechanicx]

Labman you are just shooting the arrow then painting bullseye. If you don't want to run an American made filter owned by a German compnay that's fine, but you don't have to make up stories to justify it.

 

[SuperBusa]

Originally Posted By: labman

You could do with some comprehension yourself. Try reading my post.


I did ... and it's nonsense.

Originally Posted By: webfors
Originally Posted By: labman
Squirm, squirm, squirm, if something is bonded properly, it doesn't peel off leaving clean metal behind.


Think of the thick glue bonding of the media as amazingly well bonded and sealed plastic end caps, with the extra support of metal end caps. Sounds like a good design to me any way you want to look at it.

This is the way a filter should be made, and it's nice to see filter manufacturers that agree.


Exactly. It's not really hard to understand by most here.

 

[SuperBusa]

Originally Posted By: labman
Nonsense. I have a big screwdriver too. I still had parts of the last STP I ran. I had to use it and a hammer to flatten the center core to get the end cap loose. Then with more hammering, I managed to remove some of the media and glue, but like any well bonded joint, there was a residue of glue on both sides. I couldn't peal a big piece loose. It was too well bonded.

STP, same price as a Purolator Classic, same amount of media, same results in River Rat's tests, properly bonded together, and made in America by an American company. No German junk for me.


Guess if it wasn't for STPs, you'd have to use Escraps or FRAMs ... maybe you already do.

 

[Oregoonian]

Anytime Pureolator is mentioned in these threads...Labman shows up with his anti-Purolator bias.

In his mind Purolator can't be good because its owned by a German company....even though its made in the US and thousands of American workers get a good paycheck to produce these excellent filters... I guess they were good filters when the company was completely American owned..

I'm surprised that labman does not go into a rant with alot of you guys who own BMW's, VW's and other foreign made vehicles.

For me...and alot of you...Purolator produces a quality filter, at a reasonable price...and quality is the name of the game.
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[labman]

Actually I am reacting to you and a bunch of other Purolator Kool Aid drinkers that puff up a run of the mill filter and bash everything else. Apparently Purolator's position is so weak it is endangered by anybody with the audacity to critize it. You just can't stand anybody disagreeing with you.

Purolator's announced goal of marketing by creating internet ''buzz'' certainly is working. Wonder how they have done it?

 

[mechanicx]

Originally Posted By: labman

Purolator's announced goal of marketing by creating internet ''buzz'' certainly is working. Wonder how they have done it?


I don't know that Purolator announced that goal, but how they did it was by manufacturing a solid, quality filter with high efficiency at a reasonable price. If Champ or Fram did the same, I'm sure we'd be all on that.

 

[Oregoonian]

Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Originally Posted By: labman

Purolator's announced goal of marketing by creating internet ''buzz'' certainly is working. Wonder how they have done it?


I don't know that Purolator announced that goal, but how they did it was by manufacturing a solid, quality filter with high efficiency at a reasonable price. If Champ or Fram did the same, I'm sure we'd be all on that.

I guess there are a few of us Purolator KoolAid drinkers out there...

The only 'internet buzz' being created is that Purolator puts out a 'quality product' that tens of thousands of us purchase and appreciate.

 

[postjeeprcr]

Originally Posted By: labman
Actually I am reacting to you and a bunch of other Purolator Kool Aid drinkers that puff up a run of the mill filter and bash everything else. Apparently Purolator's position is so weak it is endangered by anybody with the audacity to critize it. You just can't stand anybody disagreeing with you.

Purolator's announced goal of marketing by creating internet ''buzz'' certainly is working. Wonder how they have done it?


I wonder this also.

I bet you also wonder how Purolator makes the best filter EVER, better than any filter cheaper, more expensive, different media. I also bet you wonder how they have the best efficiency out there and they make it for so cheap and why no other company can do what they supposedly do.

 

[SuperBusa]

Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Originally Posted By: labman

Purolator's announced goal of marketing by creating internet ''buzz'' certainly is working. Wonder how they have done it?


I don't know that Purolator announced that goal, but how they did it was by manufacturing a solid, quality filter with high efficiency at a reasonable price. If Champ or Fram did the same, I'm sure we'd be all on that.


Exactly ... it's the realization of the users that the Purolators are hard to beat, and don't cost as much as others in their league.

If there were endless reports on this board of Purolators failing and having sub-standard design and materials, then the majority's "voice of reality" would become negative towards them too. Most people look at an oil filter for what it is, it's performance and reliability and value ... regardless of the name of where it's made or who owns the company.

 

[steve20]

now, if they were only blue again................