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Originally Posted By: SuperBusa
Originally Posted By: JT1
I will admit, the P1 certainly did it's job well.
But is certainly overkill in most applications, sort of like hiring a NASA shuttle engineer to sweep the floor at McDonalds.
I have to assume that the only part that is overkill is the price? What else would matter? If you could get a PureONE for $2.79 would it still be overkill?
Personally, I don't consider spending $12 a year vs. $6 a year on oil filters overkill if I'm getting a quality filter that I KNOW is reliable. Is saving $6 a year really worth the risk of a filter failure and the constant thought while driving down the road if the filter is still in one piece? Not for me it not worth $6.
Finally somebody gets it. Been trying to explain this for 2 weeks and it seems it goes in one ear and out the other
Originally Posted By: JT1
I will admit, the P1 certainly did it's job well.
But is certainly overkill in most applications, sort of like hiring a NASA shuttle engineer to sweep the floor at McDonalds.
I have to assume that the only part that is overkill is the price? What else would matter? If you could get a PureONE for $2.79 would it still be overkill?
Personally, I don't consider spending $12 a year vs. $6 a year on oil filters overkill if I'm getting a quality filter that I KNOW is reliable. Is saving $6 a year really worth the risk of a filter failure and the constant thought while driving down the road if the filter is still in one piece? Not for me it not worth $6.
Finally somebody gets it. Been trying to explain this for 2 weeks and it seems it goes in one ear and out the other
My ST filter's w/ over 10k looked as good...
Originally Posted By: sw99
My ST filter's w/ over 10k looked as good...
Where you come off saying your ST looked as good as my P1? A P1 with 15K miles looks better than a new ST.
.
But seriously when you cut open a P1 the ADBV, thick threaded baseplate, the media and the media being crimped together with metal is pretty impressive. You don't have to worry about the media blowing out if if the pleats should open up. Then you have the actual test numbers where the efficiency and flow is top notch which is what matters.
My ST filter's w/ over 10k looked as good...
Where you come off saying your ST looked as good as my P1? A P1 with 15K miles looks better than a new ST.
But seriously when you cut open a P1 the ADBV, thick threaded baseplate, the media and the media being crimped together with metal is pretty impressive. You don't have to worry about the media blowing out if if the pleats should open up. Then you have the actual test numbers where the efficiency and flow is top notch which is what matters.
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Originally Posted By: sw99
My ST filter's w/ over 10k looked as good...
Where you come off saying your ST looked as good as my P1? A P1 with 15K miles looks better than a new ST.
.
But seriously when you cut open a P1 the ADBV, thick threaded baseplate, the media and the media being crimped together with metal is pretty impressive. You don't have to worry about the media blowing out if if the pleats should open up. Then you have the actual test numbers where the efficiency and flow is top notch which is what matters.
Media blowing out? Let me guss, you heard ST and you just assume it was an E-core. The one SW99 posted, was a 6607 which has metal end caps and metal center. So the chance of the media blowing out is as good as Napa Proselect or Purolator classic.
Originally Posted By: sw99
My ST filter's w/ over 10k looked as good...
Where you come off saying your ST looked as good as my P1? A P1 with 15K miles looks better than a new ST.
But seriously when you cut open a P1 the ADBV, thick threaded baseplate, the media and the media being crimped together with metal is pretty impressive. You don't have to worry about the media blowing out if if the pleats should open up. Then you have the actual test numbers where the efficiency and flow is top notch which is what matters.
Media blowing out? Let me guss, you heard ST and you just assume it was an E-core. The one SW99 posted, was a 6607 which has metal end caps and metal center. So the chance of the media blowing out is as good as Napa Proselect or Purolator classic.
So I cut the filter element open. It was really strong and I had to use a razor blade and a large screwdriver to pull the end caps off. The media is bonded to a hard plastic cap then bonded to the steel end caps. The steel center tube fits into a recess below the end cap and can't move or leak because it is entrapped by the end cap. I stood on the center tube with partial weight and I could feel it starting to give but it didn't distort much let alone shatter, so much for that scientific test lol.
I counted the pleats and there are 52 pleats counting the metal crimp. And I measured the media and as best I can tell conservatively it is 2.375" H x 46"=109.25 sq in area. The media appeared to about 1/16" thick.
I counted the pleats and there are 52 pleats counting the metal crimp. And I measured the media and as best I can tell conservatively it is 2.375" H x 46"=109.25 sq in area. The media appeared to about 1/16" thick.
Originally Posted By: Silver02ex
Media blowing out? Let me guss, you heard ST and you just assume it was an E-core. The one SW99 posted, was a 6607 which has metal end caps and metal center. So the chance of the media blowing out is as good as Napa Proselect or Purolator classic.
I bet most STs are Ecore by now ... but yeah, the ones with metal end caps and center core are better than the typical non-metal Escrape design.
Media blowing out? Let me guss, you heard ST and you just assume it was an E-core. The one SW99 posted, was a 6607 which has metal end caps and metal center. So the chance of the media blowing out is as good as Napa Proselect or Purolator classic.
I bet most STs are Ecore by now ... but yeah, the ones with metal end caps and center core are better than the typical non-metal Escrape design.
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
The media is bonded to a hard plastic cap then bonded to the steel end caps.
I think what you are actually seeing is the black potting material that bonds the media to the metal end caps. It might look like a "plastic cap" on the metal end cap side because it dried smooth like the mating side on the metal end cap.
The media is bonded to a hard plastic cap then bonded to the steel end caps.
I think what you are actually seeing is the black potting material that bonds the media to the metal end caps. It might look like a "plastic cap" on the metal end cap side because it dried smooth like the mating side on the metal end cap.
If you look closely at the pics you can actually the plastic cap encapsultaing the mediaand that the media is glued/bonded to it. I think the cap is stronger than the media anyway and probably just adds support.
Anyway, you can't tell by looking, but the media is full of gritty stuff you can feel on your hands. You wouldn't want that going into your engine. The way this filter is constructed there no way for dirty oil to leak around the media, other than if the filter bypass opens.
Anyway, you can't tell by looking, but the media is full of gritty stuff you can feel on your hands. You wouldn't want that going into your engine. The way this filter is constructed there no way for dirty oil to leak around the media, other than if the filter bypass opens.
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
So I cut the filter element open. It was really strong and I had to use a razor blade and a large screwdriver to pull the end caps off. The media is bonded to a hard plastic cap then bonded to the steel end caps. The steel center tube fits into a recess below the end cap and can't move or leak because it is entrapped by the end cap. I stood on the center tube with partial weight and I could feel it starting to give but it didn't distort much let alone shatter, so much for that scientific test lol.
I counted the pleats and there are 52 pleats counting the metal crimp. And I measured the media and as best I can tell conservatively it is 2.375" H x 46"=109.25 sq in area. The media appeared to about 1/16" thick.
What? You could easily pull the glue away from the end cap? Oh and it looks like there was a big gap between some of the pleats.
Maybe Fram is right, glue sticks to fiber end caps better than to steel ones.
I think it is a piece of junk.
So I cut the filter element open. It was really strong and I had to use a razor blade and a large screwdriver to pull the end caps off. The media is bonded to a hard plastic cap then bonded to the steel end caps. The steel center tube fits into a recess below the end cap and can't move or leak because it is entrapped by the end cap. I stood on the center tube with partial weight and I could feel it starting to give but it didn't distort much let alone shatter, so much for that scientific test lol.
I counted the pleats and there are 52 pleats counting the metal crimp. And I measured the media and as best I can tell conservatively it is 2.375" H x 46"=109.25 sq in area. The media appeared to about 1/16" thick.
What? You could easily pull the glue away from the end cap? Oh and it looks like there was a big gap between some of the pleats.
Maybe Fram is right, glue sticks to fiber end caps better than to steel ones.
I think it is a piece of junk.
Anybody remember SuperBusa complaining about being able to peal Ecore endcaps away from the media? But in a 2-3 times as much P1, it is fine if you can peal the media away from the endcap.
Originally Posted By: labman
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
So I cut the filter element open. It was really strong and I had to use a razor blade and a large screwdriver to pull the end caps off. The media is bonded to a hard plastic cap then bonded to the steel end caps. The steel center tube fits into a recess below the end cap and can't move or leak because it is entrapped by the end cap. I stood on the center tube with partial weight and I could feel it starting to give but it didn't distort much let alone shatter, so much for that scientific test lol.
I counted the pleats and there are 52 pleats counting the metal crimp. And I measured the media and as best I can tell conservatively it is 2.375" H x 46"=109.25 sq in area. The media appeared to about 1/16" thick.
What? You could easily pull the glue away from the end cap? Oh and it looks like there was a big gap between some of the pleats.
Maybe Fram is right, glue sticks to fiber end caps better than to steel ones.
I think it is a piece of junk.
Where do you see I said it was easy to pull the media off the end caps? I had to cut the media with a razor all around the circumference which was not easy, then pry it apart with an 18" screwdriver. I never separated the media from the glued joint. I pried and broke the media off the end caps. It's clear in the pics. You are going to have to try harder next time.
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
So I cut the filter element open. It was really strong and I had to use a razor blade and a large screwdriver to pull the end caps off. The media is bonded to a hard plastic cap then bonded to the steel end caps. The steel center tube fits into a recess below the end cap and can't move or leak because it is entrapped by the end cap. I stood on the center tube with partial weight and I could feel it starting to give but it didn't distort much let alone shatter, so much for that scientific test lol.
I counted the pleats and there are 52 pleats counting the metal crimp. And I measured the media and as best I can tell conservatively it is 2.375" H x 46"=109.25 sq in area. The media appeared to about 1/16" thick.
What? You could easily pull the glue away from the end cap? Oh and it looks like there was a big gap between some of the pleats.
Maybe Fram is right, glue sticks to fiber end caps better than to steel ones.
I think it is a piece of junk.
Where do you see I said it was easy to pull the media off the end caps? I had to cut the media with a razor all around the circumference which was not easy, then pry it apart with an 18" screwdriver. I never separated the media from the glued joint. I pried and broke the media off the end caps. It's clear in the pics. You are going to have to try harder next time.
Originally Posted By: SuperBusa
Originally Posted By: JT1
I will admit, the P1 certainly did it's job well.
But is certainly overkill in most applications, sort of like hiring a NASA shuttle engineer to sweep the floor at McDonalds.
I have to assume that the only part that is overkill is the price? What else would matter? If you could get a PureONE for $2.79 would it still be overkill?
Personally, I don't consider spending $12 a year vs. $6 a year on oil filters overkill if I'm getting a quality filter that I KNOW is reliable. Is saving $6 a year really worth the risk of a filter failure and the constant thought while driving down the road if the filter is still in one piece? Not for me it not worth $6.
Calm down dude, it has nothing to do with price.
Matter of fact i'm running a P1 right now.
I was just saying that in your typical application the P1 does it's job and then some<- kind of like myself(depending on who you ask).
Originally Posted By: JT1
I will admit, the P1 certainly did it's job well.
But is certainly overkill in most applications, sort of like hiring a NASA shuttle engineer to sweep the floor at McDonalds.
I have to assume that the only part that is overkill is the price? What else would matter? If you could get a PureONE for $2.79 would it still be overkill?
Personally, I don't consider spending $12 a year vs. $6 a year on oil filters overkill if I'm getting a quality filter that I KNOW is reliable. Is saving $6 a year really worth the risk of a filter failure and the constant thought while driving down the road if the filter is still in one piece? Not for me it not worth $6.
Calm down dude, it has nothing to do with price.
Matter of fact i'm running a P1 right now.
I was just saying that in your typical application the P1 does it's job and then some<- kind of like myself(depending on who you ask).
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Originally Posted By: labman
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
So I cut the filter element open. It was really strong and I had to use a razor blade and a large screwdriver to pull the end caps off. The media is bonded to a hard plastic cap then bonded to the steel end caps. The steel center tube fits into a recess below the end cap and can't move or leak because it is entrapped by the end cap. I stood on the center tube with partial weight and I could feel it starting to give but it didn't distort much let alone shatter, so much for that scientific test lol.
I counted the pleats and there are 52 pleats counting the metal crimp. And I measured the media and as best I can tell conservatively it is 2.375" H x 46"=109.25 sq in area. The media appeared to about 1/16" thick.
What? You could easily pull the glue away from the end cap? Oh and it looks like there was a big gap between some of the pleats.
Maybe Fram is right, glue sticks to fiber end caps better than to steel ones.
I think it is a piece of junk.
Where do you see I said it was easy to pull the media off the end caps? I had to cut the media with a razor all around the circumference which was not easy, then pry it apart with an 18" screwdriver. I never separated the media from the glued joint. I pried and broke the media off the end caps. It's clear in the pics. You are going to have to try harder next time.
If it was bonded properly, it would have never peeled off leaving the metal clean like that. Try harder yourself next time.
Originally Posted By: labman
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
So I cut the filter element open. It was really strong and I had to use a razor blade and a large screwdriver to pull the end caps off. The media is bonded to a hard plastic cap then bonded to the steel end caps. The steel center tube fits into a recess below the end cap and can't move or leak because it is entrapped by the end cap. I stood on the center tube with partial weight and I could feel it starting to give but it didn't distort much let alone shatter, so much for that scientific test lol.
I counted the pleats and there are 52 pleats counting the metal crimp. And I measured the media and as best I can tell conservatively it is 2.375" H x 46"=109.25 sq in area. The media appeared to about 1/16" thick.
What? You could easily pull the glue away from the end cap? Oh and it looks like there was a big gap between some of the pleats.
Maybe Fram is right, glue sticks to fiber end caps better than to steel ones.
I think it is a piece of junk.
Where do you see I said it was easy to pull the media off the end caps? I had to cut the media with a razor all around the circumference which was not easy, then pry it apart with an 18" screwdriver. I never separated the media from the glued joint. I pried and broke the media off the end caps. It's clear in the pics. You are going to have to try harder next time.
If it was bonded properly, it would have never peeled off leaving the metal clean like that. Try harder yourself next time.
OK for the third time now I cut the media with a razor blade and still had to pry the end cap off with a large scew driver. It did not just "peel" off. "Peeled off" is you substituting your words when I'm the one that took the filter apart. The clean metal you are seeing is the reult of me prying the bonded cap off with a large screwdriver. Can't you see the broken pieces? Maybe you should take a P1 apart and try peeling the end caps off. Try again.
Squirm, squirm, squirm, if something is bonded properly, it doesn't peel off leaving clean metal behind.
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