Oz doctors call for smacking ban

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Originally Posted By: Doug Hillary
Hi,
Shannow - You are correct. There are already laws that protect against violence and abuse

Smacking is a natural and reactive thing, and it is practised by most animal forms in one way or another!

The do-gooders are at it again


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Originally Posted By: shDK
I cannot imagine it should be a right to use violence on your own or others kids.

Children should be required to wear shock collars until such time as their behaviour demonstrates they don't need such a thing. In other words, most people will be buried wearing one.
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Anyone that hits a child in any way, shape or form at any time, for any reason ever under any circumstances, even ONCE, should be publicly and horribly tortured to death.
 
Hitting a child in the face, or beating him/her is wrong. A smack on the hand, or the butt IMO is not a big deal. I think my son was smacked on the hand once for trying to take something we didn't want him to have, he was warned and ignored the warnings. After that he learned the meaning of NO! Simple, no drama, no beatings. I think we need to define what smacking means before we go over the deep end, and people are wrongfully accused of being child abusers.

Garak I like the shock collar idea. LOL j/k
 
Originally Posted By: Miller88
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Rolla07
Doctors should stick to diagnosing sickness and not telling people how to raise their children.


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Doctors haven't done any actual diagnosis in years now; they just throw pills at you.

Solutions in a bottle of prescription meds, how sad.
 
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette

Solutions in a bottle of prescription meds, how sad.



Some doctors think they can monitor behavior with pills, which is really sad.
 
Originally Posted By: Miller88
Doctors in the US are now asking kids if their parents own guns ...

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Originally Posted By: supton
I've started contemplating about talking to my doctor less. Who knows what goes onto those records--and who will get to view them later on in life.

EMR and EHR is yet another nail in our coffins.

Originally Posted By: cchase
Spanking a child doesn't result in physical injury, and if it does, it probably is over the line.

There. All fixed up!
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Originally Posted By: diver1972
EMR and EHR is yet another nail in our coffins.

How do you figure?
 
Originally Posted By: Miller88
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Rolla07 said:
Doctors should stick to diagnosing sickness and not telling people how to raise their children.


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Doctors have CURED what in the past 40 years? TREATED, yes, CURED.... debatable. They treat the effect, not the cause.

Where i live in the USA, doctors are all drug pushers.

Sad world we live in.
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Doctors aren't supposed to cure anything. Research scientists are. Doctors do the implementation.
 
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Doctors aren't supposed to cure anything. Research scientists are. Doctors do the implementation.


Research scientists?
"gibe moneys pls"
 
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: cchase
Yes, I missed your first post which separates smacking from spanking.

The trouble here is I'm not sure which the original article is talking about.


Yeah, saw that in the last few posts.

In Oz, smacking is what Americans refer to as spanking...I don't think I've ever seen a child hit across the face.

Interesting how some people (and the doctors interviewed) keep equating spanking with beating...but that's how you strawman an argument up to a ban.

D00df00ds points are good...we smacked, and it's still in the arsenal, but haven't for 5 or 6 years (My angry head probably causes more psychological damage than my palms ever could).

Smacking (spanking) was for those immediate situations where attention to safety (like running at roads etc).

e.g. outdoor fire place, smack on the hand and "don't touch" is appropraite for a toddler. Talk and letting them discover the consequences of actions is appropriate for 8yo child.


Interesting, didn't know smacking is what we called spanking here.

Agree with a slap on the wrist being different from beating up a kid. IMO there are very serious wrong doing that requires serious punishment unless the kid is old enough to tell what is not allowed, and spanking would be meaningful and justified in those cases:

Vandalism (graffiti on other people's property)
Bullying other kids
Stealing from others
Intentionally causing physical harm to others (i.e. pushing another kid down a flight of stair, etc)

These are situations that I would not think twice on spanking my kid for. I'd rather he or she learn the lesson now (regardless of knowing why at the time), than much later or cause irreversible harm that he or she regret for the rest of life.
 
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
I'd rather he or she learn the lesson now (regardless of knowing why at the time)

In what sense can you say the child "learned the lesson" if they don't know the "why?"

You can certainly break their will to keep doing whatever they were doing. I hope we are not conflating a broken will with having "learned" anything.
 
What they (I) learn, is not to get caught. When I went to school we had corporal punishment - a cane across the backside. I got caned a lot, but also got away with a lot more. Getting caned was humiliating not because of the wrong doing, but because you were stupid enough to get caught.

New Zealand has high childhood abuse problems - kids dying at the hands of parents and caregivers. An anti smacking law was brought in a few years ago, amongst much protest, feelings at the time very much like this thread. Whether you go along with it or not, the important thing that comes out of it is public awareness of the problem. Now we are being told to report child abuse, especially if it is in the family, as that's where all the cover up happens. Don't turn a blind eye, say it's their problem - kids are dying out there, or living in fear, growing up and perpetuating the abuse down generations.
 
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Anyone that hits a child in any way, shape or form at any time, for any reason ever under any circumstances, even ONCE, should be publicly and horribly tortured to death.


I guess my parents should publicly and horribly tortured to death for correcting me when I did wrong. That kind of reasoning is partly to blame for the out of control and disrespectful nature of kids today IMO.
 
People incapable of handling children without torturing them should be sterilized. Those that LIKE using them as punching bags should be tortured to death over a period of at least a year.
 
Granny kept one of my Hot Wheels tracks on top the fridge, as a visible reminder that if I got out of line, she would provide a recall cue to my backside.

I've spanked my daughter once, when she was 5. She was having a melt down and took a defiant tone. It was clear that she was not in control of herself.

One, ONE age appropriate swat on the backside with my hand provided the clarity she needed to resume self control.

I've never had to swat her since.

What is sad is that her mother and I differ on what is permissible. She treats her as if they are sisters instead of mother and daughter. No consultation with me when she took her to get her nose pierced at 14.

She does a remarkably good job of navigating the differing rule sets. She has even chosen to move in with me in next week so she can attend high school in my community.

So apparently, the more structured environment is not too bad for my teen girl.
 
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