Well being I only have like 39k on my Honda, and I'm going all out on a Synthetic I think I should get the 0w-20, even though my Car suggests 5w-20. PP is quite a bit cheaper than M1. All prices are the same regardless of Viscocity. It's a M1 and PP price. $26/5qts vs $20/5qts. However I did look at the Product data sheets and Mobil 1 actually comes out and says their 0w-20 is ok to use where 5w-20 is spec'd. PP does not state anything like that. I also noticed PP's 0w-20 is thinner than M1's 0w-20. Could it be "to thin"?
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No, it's not too thin. I would love to try this product but would have to special order it thru the local distributor (Parman Lubricants) as it's never stocked anywhere 'round here.
Depending upon your location, Parman may be your supplier as they distribute products in the SE US.
Depending upon your location, Parman may be your supplier as they distribute products in the SE US.
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Well being I only have like 39k on my Honda, and I'm going all out on a Synthetic I think I should get the 0w-20, even though my Car suggests 5w-20. PP is quite a bit cheaper than M1. All prices are the same regardless of Viscocity. It's a M1 and PP price. $26/5qts vs $20/5qts. However I did look at the Product data sheets and Mobil 1 actually comes out and says their 0w-20 is ok to use where 5w-20 is spec'd. PP does not state anything like that. I also noticed PP's 0w-20 is thinner than M1's 0w-20. Could it be "to thin"?
What are your driving habits and OCI's?
Well being I only have like 39k on my Honda, and I'm going all out on a Synthetic I think I should get the 0w-20, even though my Car suggests 5w-20. PP is quite a bit cheaper than M1. All prices are the same regardless of Viscocity. It's a M1 and PP price. $26/5qts vs $20/5qts. However I did look at the Product data sheets and Mobil 1 actually comes out and says their 0w-20 is ok to use where 5w-20 is spec'd. PP does not state anything like that. I also noticed PP's 0w-20 is thinner than M1's 0w-20. Could it be "to thin"?
What are your driving habits and OCI's?
I use M1 0w20 in my Mazda6, which also specs 5w20, with no problems at all. My car loves the thin oil, and seems to run much smoother with it. I use the $10 rebate combined with the deal at Pepboys for M1, and it comes out to about 20 bucks for the 5 qts. and M1 filter.
vote for 0W20 PP for the "hard to find" factor, if you can get it, use it!
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to thin ..or not to thin ..that is the question. Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The anxiety of oil slings like water drops.....
M1 0w-20 and PP 0w-20 appear to have a .2 cSt difference @ 100C ..if the data sheets are correct.
Typical Properties
Mobil 1 0W-20
SAE Grade 0W-20
Viscosity, ASTM D 445
cSt @ 40ºC 45.5
cSt @ 100ºC 8.6
PP 0w-20
Viscosity
@ 40°C, cSt ASTM D-445 42.6
@ 100°C, cSt ASTM D-445 8.39
Don't you think you're taking the thinner thing a bit far
However, there was this distinction in the SOPUS document ..which I'd have a hard time buying.
• Always consult your owner's manual for the correct viscosity choice and specification grade of oil required. Viscosity
recommendations often allow a range of viscosities based on local temperatures. Applications include:
SAE 0W-20 – Recommended in some hybrid vehicle applications and a limited number of low temperature
applications and some newer vehicles
SAE 5W-20 – Many current and recent OEM recommendations including many 2001 and later Ford and Honda, and
later Chrysler, Nissan and Toyota applications
Yet to look at the spec's between the 0w-20 and 5w-20:
Viscosity
@ 40°C, cSt ASTM D-445 42.6 46.84
@ 100°C, cSt ASTM D-445 8.39 8.48
Viscosity Index ASTM D-2270 175 160
Flash Point , °C ASTM D-93 224 224
Pour Point, °C ASTM D-97 -48 -45
MRV viscosity, cP (°C) ASTD D-4684 17,500 (-40) 9,700 (-35)
CCS Viscosity, cP (°C ) ASTM D-5293 4840 (-35) 4,250 (-35)
HT/HS Viscosity, cP ASTM D-4683 2.6 2.6
Noack Volatility, % ASTM D-5800 14 13.2
There's <.1 cSt between them. HTHS is identical ..and volatility is marginally different.
The anxiety of oil slings like water drops.....
M1 0w-20 and PP 0w-20 appear to have a .2 cSt difference @ 100C ..if the data sheets are correct.
Typical Properties
Mobil 1 0W-20
SAE Grade 0W-20
Viscosity, ASTM D 445
cSt @ 40ºC 45.5
cSt @ 100ºC 8.6
PP 0w-20
Viscosity
@ 40°C, cSt ASTM D-445 42.6
@ 100°C, cSt ASTM D-445 8.39
Don't you think you're taking the thinner thing a bit far
However, there was this distinction in the SOPUS document ..which I'd have a hard time buying.
• Always consult your owner's manual for the correct viscosity choice and specification grade of oil required. Viscosity
recommendations often allow a range of viscosities based on local temperatures. Applications include:
SAE 0W-20 – Recommended in some hybrid vehicle applications and a limited number of low temperature
applications and some newer vehicles
SAE 5W-20 – Many current and recent OEM recommendations including many 2001 and later Ford and Honda, and
later Chrysler, Nissan and Toyota applications
Yet to look at the spec's between the 0w-20 and 5w-20:
Viscosity
@ 40°C, cSt ASTM D-445 42.6 46.84
@ 100°C, cSt ASTM D-445 8.39 8.48
Viscosity Index ASTM D-2270 175 160
Flash Point , °C ASTM D-93 224 224
Pour Point, °C ASTM D-97 -48 -45
MRV viscosity, cP (°C) ASTD D-4684 17,500 (-40) 9,700 (-35)
CCS Viscosity, cP (°C ) ASTM D-5293 4840 (-35) 4,250 (-35)
HT/HS Viscosity, cP ASTM D-4683 2.6 2.6
Noack Volatility, % ASTM D-5800 14 13.2
There's <.1 cSt between them. HTHS is identical ..and volatility is marginally different.
I just want to make sure I don't run oil "TO" thin and blow a rod, or something stupid like that. Makes you wonder why Honda didn't spec 0w-20 to begin with if it works well and Hondas alwasy looking for MPG gains. Or maybe the 0w is "to hard to find".
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Honda, and most other cars, run on OTR conventional oils. It's a traditional Euro thing to spec synthetics (the exception being the niche cars that spec it OEM from domestic producers) Toyota appears to be the first to latch on to the synthetic cash cow for our alleged thrifty Asian named manufacturers. Honda may follow suit.
I can get 0w-20 SynPower just a few blocks from here.
Few blocks from an undisclosed location is unknown location.
The only 0W-xx oils available locally to me are Mobil 1. I wanted to try 0W20 and would have been all over PP if it were available. Since I had to special order it online, I'm using Amsoil ASM.
ok, I think I'M Going to splurge and get the Ow-20 AFE M1. At least for this initial change. See how things go, maybe just switch back to a Dino 5w-20 like Clean 5k, or Qstate. but with a used car, I'd feel a whole lot better running some Syns through it once or twice to clean any Shiz that might be left from the P.O.
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