Oversized Filter Lookup????

[Punkey71]

I apologize for the naive ???

I'm trying to figure out how to find out if an oversized filter is available for my engine. 2006 5.7 HEMI. I've used wixfilters.com (the brand I want) and can't get anything but the standard size. I have their measurements (thread size, OD) but can't find a way to use that info to get what I want.

Is there a site, resource I can use to find the oversized Wix I need?

Your patience is appreciated as always...

 

[dwendt44]

Other opinions and options may differ.
I have two master catalogs. An older one from Fram and a more recent one from Purolator.
Master catalogs(at least they used to) have a spec. list in the back.
It lists the dimentions and thread and gasket specs. for each filter.
I find that for what you have, then scan for same size thread and go from there to the other dimentions; O.D., then length.

In you case, IIRC(off the top of my head) the PH 16 is bigger than the tiny stock Chrysler filter. Up from there is the PH 43. Bigger still is the PH 8A.(Fram numbers).

 

[Punkey71]

Thanks Dwendt...

When I cross reference the ph8a on Wixfilters.com, it has the same mesurements as my currenct Wix (thread 3/4 - 16 and OD of 3.66 Gasket thickness 0.2). length looks to be 40% greater...

Sounds like that's what I'm looking for..

Thanks again,

 

[Jeffrey Behr]

dwendt44: "There's no such thing as:
To big of a battery,
To large gas tank,
or a to loud horn."

That would read better if you used 'too' instead of 'to'.

 

[Lonnie]

Some Amsoil dealers know the oversize options for a given filter pn. As an example of oversize filters I use an M1-209 Mobil 1 oil filter on both a V8 4Runner and a Prius and I am going to be switching to Amsoil oil filters and will ask for a x-reference to the M1-209 and not for the smaller filter spec'd for each vehicle.

 

[Punkey71]

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dwendt44: "There's no such thing as:
To big of a battery,
To large gas tank,
or a to loud horn."

That would read better if you used 'too' instead of 'to'.

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It would also be better had you PM'd him instead of trying to publicly criticize him.

Get off your parents computer please...

 

[Gary Allan]

stock

Part Number: 51085
UPC Number: 765809510852
Principal Application: Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep Vehicles (91-06), Mitsubishi Eclipse (95-99); Caterpillar 3 Series Excavators, 9 Series Loaders
All Applications
Style: Spin-On Lube Filter
Service: Lube
Type: Full Flow
Media: Paper
Height: 3.790
Outer Diameter Top: 3.660
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 3/4-16
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Beta Ratio: 2/20=15/28
Burst Pressure-PSI: 365
Max Flow Rate: 7-9 GPM
Nominal Micron Rating: 20

Gasket Diameters
Number O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.834 2.462 0.200

longer

Part Number: 51515
UPC Number: 765809515154
Principal Application: Chrysler Family of Cars/Trucks (57-70), Ford Family of Cars/Trucks (57-00), Mazda Trucks (94-00), Toyota Landcruiser (71-96) - (Two Quart version is 51773)
All Applications
Style: Spin-On Lube Filter
Service: Lube
Type: Full Flow
Media: Paper
Height: 5.178
Outer Diameter: 3.660
Thread Size: 3/4-16
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Beta Ratio: 2/20=13/23
Burst Pressure-PSI: 270
Max Flow Rate: 7-9 GPM
Nominal Micron Rating: 19

Gasket Diameters
Number O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.834 2.462 0.200

longer

Part Number: 51773
UPC Number: 765809517738
Principal Application: Ford Trucks, Massey-Ferguson Tractors, Oliver Tractors, VW Eurovan (93-95)
All Applications
Style: Spin-On Lube Filter
Service: Lube
Type: Full Flow
Media: Paper
Height: 6.982
Outer Diameter Top: 3.663
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 3/4-16
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Burst Pressure-PSI: 225
Max Flow Rate: 7-9 GPM
Nominal Micron Rating: 30

Gasket Diameters
Number O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.834 2.462 0.200

skinnier and longer

Part Number: 51516
UPC Number: 765809515161
Principal Application: Ford/Mercury (81-07), Chrysler/Jeep (02-07), Mazda Trucks (94-07)
All Applications
Style: Spin-On Lube Filter
Service: Lube
Type: Full Flow
Media: Paper
Height: 4.828
Outer Diameter Top: 2.921
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 3/4-16
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Beta Ratio: 2/20=14/31
Burst Pressure-PSI: 275
Max Flow Rate: 7-9 GPM
Nominal Micron Rating: 20

Gasket Diameters
Number O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.734 2.430 0.226

skinnier and shorter

Part Number: 51348
UPC Number: 765809513488
Principal Application: Various Chrysler/Jeep (82-07), Various GM, Saturn (85-07), Lexus (90-07), Saab (67-07), Suzuki (86-02), Toyota (88-07), Yugo (86-89), Harley-Davidson, Various Lawn&Garden, Farm Equip.
All Applications
Style: Spin-On Lube Filter
Service: Lube
Type: Full Flow
Media: Paper
Height: 3.404
Outer Diameter Top: 2.921
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 3/4-16
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Beta Ratio: 2/20=21/37
Burst Pressure-PSI: 275
Max Flow Rate: 7-9 GPM
Nominal Micron Rating: 19

Gasket Diameters
Number O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.734 2.430 0.226

there's even a WAY fatter and almost as WAY long one that Big O Dave found. I forget the number. There are also other numbers in the PH16 size that are slightly different, iirc.

 

[leftlane]

One filter Im looking at has the Beta Ratio: 2/20=22/40, another has the Beta Ratio: 2/20=6/19. I dont know what beta ratio involves so which is better and why?

 

[derek244]

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dwendt44: "There's no such thing as:
To big of a battery,
To large gas tank,
or a to loud horn."

That would read better if you used 'too' instead of 'to'.

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It would also be better had you PM'd him instead of trying to publicly criticize him.

Get off your parents computer please...

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NO DOUBT!

 

[Punkey71]

Gary,

Thanks...

I appreciate it...that's why you are MY Amsoil Rep.....

 

[westwind999]

2/20=6/19 is better.

See if I can put it into words.

1/2 of the 6 micron particles get through and 1/20 of the 19 micron particles get through. The numbers on the rh side of the = sign are the micron sizes so smaller is better. The numbers on the LH side are usually the same for Wix 2/20 which is 1/2 and 1/20 sometimes referred to as 50% and 95%.

I think that's clear.

 

[leftlane]

Ok I got it now. Thank you much west.

 

[leftlane]

Btw since those beta ratios are so different between the two filters then I wonder why both filters have a Nominal Micron Rating of 19?

 

[westwind999]

My non expert opinion is that the thickness of the media is better so there is more of a chance that the dirt particle will get caught. Maybe like the difference between carpet and burlap, the fibers are about the same but the carpet is thicker so it catches the particles easier. A large particle may be able to fit through but it's more likely to get hung up going through the maze.

 

[Gary Allan]

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Btw since those beta ratios are so different between the two filters then I wonder why both filters have a Nominal Micron Rating of 19?

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Single vs multipass tests.

I think if you compare a few of the filters that I posted, you can see a progression in filter efficiency ..with a decreasing rate of return as you go larger. It's been speculated that the, 51348, 51516, 51068, and 51515 use the same media.
21/37 51348
14/31 51516
10/26 51068 -the 10um of the 2/20 doesn't seem to fit here.
13/23 51515

Otherwise ..it pretty much follows the larger is better format ..with less increase in efficiency beyond a certain point.

 

[Gary Allan]

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Gary,

Thanks...

I appreciate it...that's why you are MY Amsoil Rep.....

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