Oversize Toyota/Lexus Filters

[btanchors]

Some time ago, user ekpolk on this forum suggested that a Mobil 1 M1-209 filter would work as an oversize filter instead of the considerably smaller Mobil 1 M1-102. It took me awhile to convince myself that he is right, but I think I am finally convinced.

First of all, on the Wix website, I cross-referenced both of the above filters to the equivalent Wix models. M1-102 is a Wix 51348; M1-209 is a Wix 51516. Specs from this website (http://www.wixfilters.com) are identical except for length:

Thread size: 3/4-16
By-Pass valve setting - 8-11 PSI
Anti-Drainback Valve - Yes
Outer Diameter top - 2.921

Gasket dimensions:
OD: 2.734
ID: 2.430
Thk: 0.226

This wasn't quite enough for me, so I bought an M1-102 and M1-209 and cut them apart. Again, identical in every respect I can see, except that the M1-209 filter is about half again as long as the M1-102. Also, the M1-209 is very close in size to the Original Equipment filter that came with my GS-430 - A Toyota 90915-20004. It puzzles me why Mobil doesn't specify the M1-209 filter for my GS-430. The only possible reason I can think of is that by specifying the M1-102, they are assured that the same filter will fit in nearly all Toyota/Lexus applications. On my GS-430 though, there is plenty of extra room for the larger filter, again noting that the M1-209 is only very slightly larger than the OEM filter.

Anyway, I do have several pictures if anyone cares to see them, but they are fairly large in file size.

Of course, if your Toyota/Lexus is still under warranty, you would be well advised to stick with what is recommended for your car to preserve the warranty. But in my case, I am going to be using the M1-209.....

 

[thinshavings]

I recently purchased a '04 Tundra. The factory oil filter was the '20004, a supurb filter.
All aftermarket filters specd for this application are much shorter in length. If you use a non speced but same specification oil filter and are still under warranty keep an old filter that is speced around just in case of any unforseen problems.

The aftermarket uses the one size fits many mentality.

 

[FL-400S]

On my '03 Tundra I used a ST 3614 when I changed it today. I will use a Motorcraft FL-400S like I use on my tercel when the warranty is up. Four more years! Darn long-a$$$ toyota warranty!

 

[slalom44]

Originally posted by FL-400S:

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On my '03 Tundra I used a ST 3614 when I changed it today.

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I would strongly recommend that you replace that filter ASAP. The ST 3614 filter has a clicker-type bypass valve. If you've cut open one of these filters, you'll see that they don't make sense - they'd open up if the pressure was great on the inside but there's no way for them to open up in the direction of oil flow.

 

[slalom44]

Personally, I'd use the AC Delco PF-53 filter. It won't void your warranty, has a threaded-end bypass valve, and is built very well. It doesn't have a silicone ADBV, but I haven't had any problems with dry starts.

I tried the FL-400S filter for one OCI, but I switched back to the PF-53 because it seemed to turn the oil light off faster. I might have had a bad ADBV in my FL-400S because when I removed it (after the hot engine sat for about 45 minutes), no oil came out of the filter.

That clicker-type bypass valve on the ST-3614 (also on the STP version) is bad news. I don't want to badmouth Champion Labs because I think they make a well-constructed product, but the design of that valve is a real flaw.

 

[FL-400S]

Cool, Ill snag a couple of PF-53's from autozone. Thanks. And Ill featherfoot the truck until I can change the filter, probably tomorrow morning.

 

[FL-400S]

I got a PF-53 at autozone. For the heck of it, I looked at the Valukraft 3614 filters. It looks EXACTLY the same in every way as the Delco, except the paint job. OF course the filter part could be different. Does anyone know if they are the same filter?

 

[FL-400S]

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Originally posted by slalom44:
Originally posted by FL-400S:

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On my '03 Tundra I used a ST 3614 when I changed it today.

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I would strongly recommend that you replace that filter ASAP. The ST 3614 filter has a clicker-type bypass valve. If you've cut open one of these filters, you'll see that they don't make sense - they'd open up if the pressure was great on the inside but there's no way for them to open up in the direction of oil flow.

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What do you recommend then? I had an STP before this one. I can get another, or I can get purolator premium plus, but I hate going to pepboys. Or I can get the sears brand purolators. Thanks for the heads up!

 

[Alan]

What's so bad about the ST3614?

I've used them on my Sienna with good results and no odd noises at all.