I have a 2003 Corolla and it has a filter that is about the size of 1/3 of a Coke can. Is there a larger filter that will fit this mount?
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Oversize Toyota filter???
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I'm not 100% sure, but i think you can use either a supertech 3614, or a Motorcraft FL-400s, if they will fit. I think thay all have the same thread and baseplate design, so it's just a matter of fit. But since your's is a newer car, probably still under warranty, then you'd want to stick with oem sizes or equivilants.quote:
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I have a 2003 Corolla and it has a filter that is about the size of 1/3 of a Coke can. Is there a larger filter that will fit this mount?
Oversized filters are a popular fad. Oil analysis has shown no good reason to supersize the filter. I've run 12,000 miles with good analyses on my Toyota with the stock Toyota filter and Schaeffer oil.
You know the OEM filter and specified quality aftermarket filters have the correct filtration, flow rate, internal bypass valve setting, and antidrainback valve. You're only guessing with an oversized non-spec filter. Ask any filter maker, and they will not suggest an oversized filter for the reasons I gave.
Ken
[ July 02, 2004, 05:51 PM: Message edited by: Ken2 ]
You know the OEM filter and specified quality aftermarket filters have the correct filtration, flow rate, internal bypass valve setting, and antidrainback valve. You're only guessing with an oversized non-spec filter. Ask any filter maker, and they will not suggest an oversized filter for the reasons I gave.
Ken
[ July 02, 2004, 05:51 PM: Message edited by: Ken2 ]
I've used the tundra v6/v8 filter on a 2000 1.8 corolla. There seems to be plenty of room for the larger fl400/ph3600 sized filter but I won't know until the next OCI.
Manufacturers are always conservative with their recommendations. If you use the wrong filter(like incorrect thread), or forget to top it off(larger filter needs more oil to fill), you can only blame yourself. No manufacturer wants to be responsible for sue happy owner's stupidity.
Manufacturers are always conservative with their recommendations. If you use the wrong filter(like incorrect thread), or forget to top it off(larger filter needs more oil to fill), you can only blame yourself. No manufacturer wants to be responsible for sue happy owner's stupidity.
You can fit a 3614 tundra filter or a 3600/FL-400S taurus filter on there, but Id wait until out of warranty. They both have the exact same bypass, threads, and just a tiny bit bigger gasket which Im 99% sure wont matter. Im running a FL-400S on my '94 Tercel now for 3 months and its been fine. Its got more filter area for the AutoRx to leave crap in. A rubber flap and a spring loaded piece of metal with paper stuffed into a can is not the most precise and accurate piece of equipment anyway. I wouldnt be surprised if filters varied from one to the next significantly.
[ July 02, 2004, 08:35 PM: Message edited by: FL-400S ]
[ July 02, 2004, 08:35 PM: Message edited by: FL-400S ]
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"You can fit a 3614 tundra filter or a 3600/FL-400S taurus filter on there, but Id wait until out of warranty."
The car has 135,000km on it, so warranty is not a problem. What are the 3600 and 3614 numbers? I normally use the Fram number (not the filter) as a cross-reference guide.
The car has 135,000km on it, so warranty is not a problem. What are the 3600 and 3614 numbers? I normally use the Fram number (not the filter) as a cross-reference guide.
Those are the fram/Supertech/STP model numbers. Vehicle references are a 2002 Tundra (3614) or a 12V 3.0L Taurus (3600, bigger). Id use a Motorcraft FL=400S personally. Well I do use one like I said. Its got Purolator Pure 1 filter element and a silicon ADBV and only $2.77 at walmart. Just double check to make sure the slightly larger gasket will fit on the flange.quote:
Originally posted by D Stewart:
"You can fit a 3614 tundra filter or a 3600/FL-400S taurus filter on there, but Id wait until out of warranty."
The car has 135,000km on it, so warranty is not a problem. What are the 3600 and 3614 numbers? I normally use the Fram number (not the filter) as a cross-reference guide.
[ July 03, 2004, 02:51 PM: Message edited by: FL-400S ]
I totally agree!quote:
Originally posted by FL-400S:
.... A rubber flap and a spring loaded piece of metal with paper stuffed into a can is not the most precise and accurate piece of equipment anyway. I wouldnt be surprised if filters varied from one to the next significantly.
Consider how rudimentary the bypass valves are and consider the temperature extremes engine oil experiences.
I seriously doubt a BPV is "calibrated" to handle these extremes.
I would expect BP pressure to be higher when cold, which may be a good thing.
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The 3600 and 3614 are the same size as the longer Toyota filter. I want a LARGE (1 quart capacity) filter that has the same flange/threads/DBV as the small Toyota filter.
In replies, could you state what manufacturers numbers you are using, please. I have no idea what an "sdf-15" is.
In replies, could you state what manufacturers numbers you are using, please. I have no idea what an "sdf-15" is.
I assume you mean same diameter as the longer toyota filter. If you want 1 quart capacity, you need a Motorcraft FL-1A or fram PH8A. Those are some big filters with the same bypass, gasket, threads as the FL-400S/3600/3614. Toyota has a TRD filter for Tundra V8s that is a relabled Wix 51515 which is FL-1A sized. However, I tried to fit an FL-1A on both my tundra and my tercel and the can is just too big to thread on either. I think the FL-400S is probably your best bet if you have the length space available under the hood.quote:
Originally posted by D Stewart:
The 3600 and 3614 are the same size as the longer Toyota filter. I want a LARGE (1 quart capacity) filter that has the same flange/threads/DBV as the small Toyota filter.
In replies, could you state what manufacturers numbers you are using, please. I have no idea what an "sdf-15" is.
You can use the Celica GT-S filter, I forgot the entire part number, but it is the same as the Corrolla/Celica GT filter except it ends with "A1". It is about 50% longer.
SDF-15 is an Amsoil filter equivalent to the Motorcraft FL1A and Fram PH8A. All hold 1 quart.
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Many thanks, guys. I've got a lot to try at the next change.
I know, old thread to bring back.
Comments on larger oil filters.
People are always looking at the idea to trap more dirt. Well maybe, if you run extended drains, but the real reason for me is there is less pressure drop across the filter element. Less pressure drop, less chance the filter bypass will ever open.
I would LOVE to see 4 test to confirm this:
1. Stock filter
2. Larger filter
3. Stock filter size with NO bypass (they are made)
4. Larger filter size with NO bypass (they are made)
And see if there is any noteable difference in particle size in the oil. When cold the filter bypass is likely open, once the rpm is lower or the oil is warmed up, it will close and start to filter the oil. Particle sizes should be significantly lower on the no-bypass filters (assuming there isn't a block/adpater bypass). But what is safe? Watching cold oil pressure would be crucial.
It was common for hot rodders to block off the internal oil bypass in the block/oil filter adapter on Chevy V8's.
My Pontiac V8 has an internal oil filter adapter bypass. I have read on Oldsmbile they do also. Stock is set to bypass approx 4 psi unless diesel application then I believe it was 8 psi. (it was double)
Comments on larger oil filters.
People are always looking at the idea to trap more dirt. Well maybe, if you run extended drains, but the real reason for me is there is less pressure drop across the filter element. Less pressure drop, less chance the filter bypass will ever open.
I would LOVE to see 4 test to confirm this:
1. Stock filter
2. Larger filter
3. Stock filter size with NO bypass (they are made)
4. Larger filter size with NO bypass (they are made)
And see if there is any noteable difference in particle size in the oil. When cold the filter bypass is likely open, once the rpm is lower or the oil is warmed up, it will close and start to filter the oil. Particle sizes should be significantly lower on the no-bypass filters (assuming there isn't a block/adpater bypass). But what is safe? Watching cold oil pressure would be crucial.
It was common for hot rodders to block off the internal oil bypass in the block/oil filter adapter on Chevy V8's.
My Pontiac V8 has an internal oil filter adapter bypass. I have read on Oldsmbile they do also. Stock is set to bypass approx 4 psi unless diesel application then I believe it was 8 psi. (it was double)
Plug in PH3614 and PH3600 into the Wix filter lookup. These are Fram numbers but useful. The PH3600 will match the Pure One PL20195 or the Fram Extended Guard XG3600.
The thread is 3/4-16 but I think you might need a different filter that does not match the above due to gasket size. You had better check it out a lot before going other than OEM on your car. Just what is the filter number on your car right now?
The thread is 3/4-16 but I think you might need a different filter that does not match the above due to gasket size. You had better check it out a lot before going other than OEM on your car. Just what is the filter number on your car right now?
Interesting that the MC FL1A equivalent will fit....
Most 1970s, and some 1980s Toyotas had one from the factory.
Most 1970s, and some 1980s Toyotas had one from the factory.
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