edyvw
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In other words, you have no idea.
Out with the Audi & In with a Pilot
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After coming out of a Highlander with only 29,000 miles on it-to a Volvo XC60-it's a wakeup call how much you put up with mediocrity to get that reliability. I could preach this all day-the best way to see what I am talking about is renting through Hertz (on your next trip) and getting an XC60. They have them.
Based on estimates from "your mechanic". Who is "your mechanic" lets see their actual data.
I was a mechanic, and worked on all makes and models at one point or another. I've owned a bunch of European vehicles over the years. Probably the most frequently owned is BMW. We have four BMW's currently.
I haven't found our BMW's to be more expensive to maintain. MAYBE if I went to the dealership for everything out of warranty, they'd seem more expensive to maintain than, say, our Toyotas. Of course lots of BMW's are leased, and maintenance is included.
edyvw
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Mind you that Toyota parts are usually more expensive.
I always admired how they wanted to charge me $315 for 17” donut tire and when I said I paid $129 for donut in BMW dealership for X5, the guy said: “yeah, but this is Toyota.”
OVERKILL
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Yes, that was my query as well. I appreciate the attempt at providing "data", but I'd like some clarification as to the source.
wemay
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Here's the link, at least....
https://lifehacker.com/the-car-brands-with-the-highest-maintenance-costs-over-1781639773
I thought I was buying money pit when dear wife had heart set on brand new 2018 VW Tiguan. 195k miles now and only repairs:
2 sets brakes
2 sets of tires
Ignition wiring harness
Fuel cap door power lock
Been leaps more reliable the her previous 05 Subaru Legacy and 96 Honda Civic.
edyvw
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edyvw
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Obviously you are lying. Your VW bursted in flames by now. Same like @TiGeo. He claims that he is on track all the time and abuse his VW as daily. But we all know his VW exploded and his ghost is writing posts just to piss off “I know you got Porsche 911, but have you tried Honda Accord” folks.
edyvw
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OVERKILL
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OK, so it's from a single mobile car repair company? Doesn't seem sufficiently exhaustive to be definitive.
I bet you Honda average maintenance if including 105k has that pesky V6 timing belt replacement cost. If not add another $1.75k to that for 100k services with a dealer and most independents. I got it done on the cheaper for $700 using Honda parts by friend .
edyvw
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80% of Audis are running the same engines as VW, but somehow the same source has Audi more expensive by $5,000+, and the longitudinal Audi is actually easier to work on.
Most of the posts here are anecdotal in nature.
Here's another data set. It is a year old...
Here's a recent CR study...
As always, the devil is in the details. Bottom line numbers can mean whatever you want them to mean.
I had another Bug, fancy flares, wheels, body in much better condition. Never did run right. But it might be cool to have it now since I have the resources to fix it right!
Probably the cheapest car to operate (not to own) was our '18 Model 3 Mid Range. Replaced one of the Contis that picked up a nail; $400. Ouch. The 12v battery was going after 5 years; Tesla came out and replaced it for $120. Of course I only put 25k on the car for various reasons. Otherwise it was a jug of blue warsher fluid... Got $22K from Tesla on the trade-in last June, ouch! Ya win some and ya lose some.
Here's another data set. It is a year old...
Here's a recent CR study...
As always, the devil is in the details. Bottom line numbers can mean whatever you want them to mean.
- If maintenance is expensive and owners can do their own, the cost of ownership numbers change. Is it fair to assume luxury car owners do less DIY work?
- Do costs tend to be more mechanical in nature vs maintenance?
- Do manufacturers offer better warranties to lower cost of ownership?
- Do dealers offer free services or good maintenance packages?
I had another Bug, fancy flares, wheels, body in much better condition. Never did run right. But it might be cool to have it now since I have the resources to fix it right!
Probably the cheapest car to operate (not to own) was our '18 Model 3 Mid Range. Replaced one of the Contis that picked up a nail; $400. Ouch. The 12v battery was going after 5 years; Tesla came out and replaced it for $120. Of course I only put 25k on the car for various reasons. Otherwise it was a jug of blue warsher fluid... Got $22K from Tesla on the trade-in last June, ouch! Ya win some and ya lose some.
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They were reliable and inexpensive to operate. But they were the true definition of cheap and mediocre.
I would be driving a new Pilot if they did not put the push button "gear shifter" in them.
I hated it -
Plus to make it worse I couldn't find one that had a receiver hitch unless it was a Trail sport.
I want seating for 8 -
Not sure why so many new vehicles have changed from a "normal" gear shifter and every full size SUV should have a receiver hitch, or at least just be able to bolt one on.
I do like the Honda V6 and conventional transmission.
Congrats on the new wheels.
I hated it -
Plus to make it worse I couldn't find one that had a receiver hitch unless it was a Trail sport.
I want seating for 8 -
Not sure why so many new vehicles have changed from a "normal" gear shifter and every full size SUV should have a receiver hitch, or at least just be able to bolt one on.
I do like the Honda V6 and conventional transmission.
Congrats on the new wheels.
I bought all the hitch and associated parts at a local dealership and installed it myself.
When I was 4-5 years old, my Mom drove a 1960 Rambler. I remember the transmission switches being on the dash to the left of the instrument cluster. Push button shifting isn't something new.
Thank you.
I know -
I watched a video on how to install the receiver - my view is it should be standard equipment.
A buddy in high school had a 1960 something Plymouth Valiant with the push button shift garbage installed.
I wonder why if they had the idea back in the 60's it was discontinued?
I think Honda was targeting "the soccer mom" with the push button shift, but that is a total guess.
I like Honda's push button shift just fine. Have two of them with it. No need for a large shifter handle to take up space in my console and no need to put it in park when I stop, just hit the power button. Large buttons that are shaped to be easy to use by feel.
Not the same system, the one on the 60's Plymouth was a real mechanical nightmare with cables for the buttons and another finicky cable setup for the park lever on the side of the buttons that locked out the buttons unless the lever was in the up position. Modern ones are just electric button switches, easy to replace as a module.
