OK, will an engine last 1,000,000 miles on 6-8 OCI

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So we all read, hear, agree (?) that you can wait until the "oil change light" dings and shows itself so you can change your oil, BUT will those engines last as long as the ones that get media coverage for being a "million mile" vehicle?


EDIT: I mean to write 6-8k miles OCI in subject line but ran out of room.
 
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If you follow the OLM system, use the correct viscosity/type of oil specified by the manufacturer and a quality filter, the engine wearing out from lack of lubrication is likely the least possible way the car will meet its end.

Odds are highly likely it will be totalled from a collision or due to rust long before a 6-8k mile OCI will cause the engine to fail. Most of the 'million mile' vehicles I've read about have had an engine rebuild or two in their lives, too.
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Originally Posted By: scurvy
If you follow the OLM system, use the correct viscosity/type of oil specified by the manufacturer and a quality filter, the engine wearing out from lack of lubrication is likely the least possible way the car will meet its end.

Odds are highly likely it will be totalled from a collision or due to rust long before a 6-8k mile OCI will cause the engine to fail. Most of the 'million mile' vehicles I've read about have had an engine rebuild or two in their lives, too.
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I agree 100%. At least where I live, cars/trucks are rusted out before engines wear out, assuming they've been adequately maintained.
 
An engine can go 1,000,000 miles.

You would probably need to keep an eye on the Cooling System as well as the Transmission Fluid.

Odds are you might get tired of the car after a few hundred thousand miles. JMO
 
All I'd have to do is drive from my house on Long Island to Oak Harbor, WA to visit my son then turn and come back. I'd have to do this about 169 times and I've pretty much done it. That doesn't sound too bad. Just keep the engine running and change the oil each time I return to NY for the sake of simplicity.
 
Diesel engine may last that long, but I don't think a gas engine will and that is if you change the oil every Sat am. The vehicles body and tranny will give out long before million miles.
 
Well, I'm doubling the "light" factor. I put in M1 EP 5W-30 in both Honda's. When the OLM hits about 10%, I reset it to 100% and keep on going up to about 30%-ish of that OLM reading. EP can go, through oil analysis in the past, up to about 14K COMFORTABLY. When I sold the O2, it was running like a champ, just that nagging transmission problem was looming over my head and just couldn't stand the unexpected thing to happen.
 
My understanding is lubrication is no longer the limiting factor in engine life. Metal fatigue, gaskets, cooling, and damage due to other non engine components (or engine electrical) are the limiting factors in engine life.
 
No. While we hear lots of flights of fancy, the reality is that the the average vehicle is junked with 138,000 miles on the clock. Very few cars are driven to 300,000 miles. Almost none to half a million, and I bet that there are not more than 2,000 million-mile private passenger vehicles in the country. Even limo/taxi drivers seem to tap out between 300,000 and 400,000 miles.

And are you really interested in the answer? Are you looking to drive one car for your entire car career, and would it be worth the trouble keeping such a car on the road? Again, the answer is "no" for most of us.
 
Originally Posted By: AnarchyX
So we all read, hear, agree (?) that you can wait until the "oil change light" dings and shows itself so you can change your oil, BUT will those engines last as long as the ones that get media coverage for being a "million mile" vehicle?


EDIT: I mean to write 6-8k miles OCI in subject line but ran out of room.


Sorry, but the OLM system was not designed with a 1 million mile life in mind. It is only an algorthim based on a host of assumptions (engine in good tune etc.), not an oil analyzer. personally I don't the OLM computer will last 1 million miles.
 
I wouldn't have asked if I wasn't interessted.

Also, seeing as how the amount of time people keep their vehicles keeps increasing as time goes by, obviously the effectiveness of an oil, for over 200k miles, at least, is an honest question.

If not, then anyone can claim "Just change it every year or so because by the time you worry whether or not it's the smart thing to do, you'll have gotten rid of the vehicle anyway"

That allows for companies to claim "will never be a factor in an engine lubrication problem" because it doesn't have time to be effective.

Kind of like clogged arteries. So long as you get killed in some kind of accident before you grow old and die of the heart attack due to poor diet, you don't end up a statistic for heart problem deaths (which would have happened had you grown old). Doesn't mean there weren't problems happening, you just didn't last long enough for them to be the factor they would have been if you had.

Basically I'm just wondering if it really is just as good for the engine, in the long run of even just say 300k miles, to wait 6-8k miles for an oil change as opposed to the 3k mile OCI.
 
I went 8k+ on most OC's in my 2002 Cavalier.....a few aer posted here in the UOA section. Car ran like a top, and barely used any oil.

I 'wanted' to see 180k miles out of it (300k km), but it needed piles and piles of repairs to get there - got traded off at 252k km.

Most cars fall into that pattern - whatever you 'want' to see out of them will not happen, but not b/c the engine fails, but b/c 'some other decision' will stop you continuing with that car.
 
After attending a bearing seminar hosted by Mahle/Clevite I can tell you a gas engine's bearings can last half a million miles, but I doubt the rings/pistons/bores will, even with today's coatings
 
Originally Posted By: AnarchyX
I wouldn't have asked if I wasn't interessted.

Also, seeing as how the amount of time people keep their vehicles keeps increasing as time goes by, obviously the effectiveness of an oil, for over 200k miles, at least, is an honest question.

If not, then anyone can claim "Just change it every year or so because by the time you worry whether or not it's the smart thing to do, you'll have gotten rid of the vehicle anyway"

That allows for companies to claim "will never be a factor in an engine lubrication problem" because it doesn't have time to be effective.

Kind of like clogged arteries. So long as you get killed in some kind of accident before you grow old and die of the heart attack due to poor diet, you don't end up a statistic for heart problem deaths (which would have happened had you grown old). Doesn't mean there weren't problems happening, you just didn't last long enough for them to be the factor they would have been if you had.

Basically I'm just wondering if it really is just as good for the engine, in the long run of even just say 300k miles, to wait 6-8k miles for an oil change as opposed to the 3k mile OCI.



That is a slightly different question. You will see many, many posters with cars well past 100k or even 200k. I think that you will find that the consensus is that in the modern era, oil will hold up 6-7k. I am currently trying to stretch to a 10k OCI on my 01 Acura TL, for example. There is much opinion on which oil is best, but I think you'll also find that the consensus is for high-quality synthetics that are at the viscosity and specs called for by the manufacturer. With all that, you may not make it to 500k, but it won't be because of an oil failure. I don't think most of us will see 1MM miles!!!
 
I have been doing 10K OCI since 1978 with M1 oils in various engines. A 85 Escort went 300k(miles not kms)and the engine was fine but the body fell off from it, thanks in part to Z Bart. My old 91 Ranger(gave it to my son with 190K) was just sold with 354K. The engine was still fine but the body was getting rough with 10K OCIs. A friend has a 2000 Taurus with 340K. He still travels a lot with the car. 8-10K OCIs. Engines last a very long time but bodies won't for the most part.
 
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