Also I want to add that Amsoil clearly says:
Oils for 2007 H-D Sportster
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thanks, never looked at it from that angle. Had to hold my head kind of tilted but I see it now. H-D oil is (incorrectly) labeled GL-1, but tests out at GL-3 because of the additives, so a-oil, in an attempt to attract H-D customers follows suit
Yes - and I wish Amsoil HQ would clearly say that to the public. Two wrongs don't make a right.
AmSoil works great in my 2053 cc V-twin Motorcycle. It holds grade better than Rotella, Delo, Mobil 1 M/C oil, backed up with UOA's. I'll not be running anything else in this monster engine simply because it performs in a stellar manner.
When I started this thread, I listed the oils I was considering for our Sportster and Amsoil wasn't (and is not) being considered.
I really don't care if it is GL-1 or GL-5.
C'mon guys, lets get back on topic!
I really don't care if it is GL-1 or GL-5.
C'mon guys, lets get back on topic!
The topic has changed to: Why in the world would you not consider AmSoil? B~)
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The topic shouldn't have changed to begin with since I asked a relatively simple question. This thread was derailed into another "Amsoil vs. the rest" debate. I am not interested in Amsoil for the following reasons:
1. MLM
2. not available locally
3. local "dealers" have little to no product knowledge
Now before you begin flaming me, remember my original question here because it was quite specific.
1. MLM
2. not available locally
3. local "dealers" have little to no product knowledge
Now before you begin flaming me, remember my original question here because it was quite specific.
No flaming from me! I was just pointing out the obvious...that the thread did veer from your original intentions. Sort of like marriages usually do!
However, regardless of whether AmSoil is: 1) MLM, 2) not available locally, or 3) that "dealers" often have little or no knowledge; If the value is there (dollars it costs you for the benefits it provides), it is therefore "worth it", at least when compared to 1) a corporate shareholder profit-driven producer, and 2) it is locally available (because it is shipped in), and 3) sold by an auto-parts expert at your local parts store...oops...those people often have little or no product knowledge either! Oh, well, two out of three ain't bad...especially if you are talking about batting averages!
Exempting AmSoil from your choices is sort of like saying you don't want Heart Surgery from one of the proven best Surgeon's because 1) he's involved in HMO's, 2) he's from France, and 3) he's a she.
Still...no flaming from me!
However, regardless of whether AmSoil is: 1) MLM, 2) not available locally, or 3) that "dealers" often have little or no knowledge; If the value is there (dollars it costs you for the benefits it provides), it is therefore "worth it", at least when compared to 1) a corporate shareholder profit-driven producer, and 2) it is locally available (because it is shipped in), and 3) sold by an auto-parts expert at your local parts store...oops...those people often have little or no product knowledge either! Oh, well, two out of three ain't bad...especially if you are talking about batting averages!
Exempting AmSoil from your choices is sort of like saying you don't want Heart Surgery from one of the proven best Surgeon's because 1) he's involved in HMO's, 2) he's from France, and 3) he's a she.
Still...no flaming from me!
good point Titan, but it's also like hanging up on a telemarketer, or switching channels when a commercial comes on? The products they may have offered may have been great, but the overdose of the marketing could get old. No flaming here, sorry if I contributed to the hijack.
I agree, Wiley. But, I've got one more post on this topic.
The marketing kept me away from AmSoil for many, many years, because, like the OP, I also don't like the idea of MLM, nor the too-often less-than-knowledgeable dealers. Shipping never bothered me, because I know it costs me to drive my vehicle to the store...even if I'm combining trips. But, curiosity combined with some very KNOWLEDGEABLE dealers (like Pablo, for example) finally got me to try some of their products, evaluate them with scientific methods, and I'm extremely impressed with the quality and results.
And, in case anyone is wondering, No, I'm not a dealer. I simply had similar biases against AmSoil which kept me from using some great products for too many years. I'm glad I finally evaluated it myself. The smartest people learn from OTHER's mistakes...I made the same mistake as the OP at one time. What I'm trying to do is provide the opportunity for someone else to be smarter than I was.
If people want to conduct a self-imposed boycott against Mobil 1 (lower quality "synthetic" lately?), or Castrol (just what is synthetic anyway?), or Pennzoil (made from Wax! HA!), or AmSoil (MLM, shipping costs), it's their perogotive...but, just make sure you aren't hurting your SELF. Because you aren't hurting any of these companies by boycotting them.
Hijack mode: off.
The marketing kept me away from AmSoil for many, many years, because, like the OP, I also don't like the idea of MLM, nor the too-often less-than-knowledgeable dealers. Shipping never bothered me, because I know it costs me to drive my vehicle to the store...even if I'm combining trips. But, curiosity combined with some very KNOWLEDGEABLE dealers (like Pablo, for example) finally got me to try some of their products, evaluate them with scientific methods, and I'm extremely impressed with the quality and results.
And, in case anyone is wondering, No, I'm not a dealer. I simply had similar biases against AmSoil which kept me from using some great products for too many years. I'm glad I finally evaluated it myself. The smartest people learn from OTHER's mistakes...I made the same mistake as the OP at one time. What I'm trying to do is provide the opportunity for someone else to be smarter than I was.
If people want to conduct a self-imposed boycott against Mobil 1 (lower quality "synthetic" lately?), or Castrol (just what is synthetic anyway?), or Pennzoil (made from Wax! HA!), or AmSoil (MLM, shipping costs), it's their perogotive...but, just make sure you aren't hurting your SELF. Because you aren't hurting any of these companies by boycotting them.
Hijack mode: off.
It is because of threads like these, and the things that you Asoil advocates/obsessives post, that folks get turned off to Asoil products.
You'll probably have a good argument as to why my statment is wrong, incomplete, or invalid...but it would simply back up my point even further...
It truely gets sickening after awhile.
And some of your reps...good grief, where do they dig these folks up? Oh yeah...I forgot the criteria for being one of these product reps.
I realize it's an obsessive compultion, but it's my opinion that the flood of that sort of stuff taints good discussion.
Well, I suppose if you feel that your favorite product is the end-all of discussions, and if only enough time and typing space is provided, and you do enough cut-n-pasting, you will eventually have everyone thinking exactly as you do now, then you probably find this sort of advertizing, posing as unbiased discussion, as healthy and required.(are run-on sentences allowed?)
I sure do not...and don't think I'm alone here.
I see some folks who are also Asoil reps offering up lots of good information. They are a great part of this board and the healthy discussions by intelligent folks each day.
If I were one of these folks, especially one that is paying for a sponsorship, I would absolutely hate the help I would be recieving from all of the other "reps" lurking with an arsenal of cut-n-pastes and endless arguments at the ready.
My griping and moaning doesn't help the thread much either...I just feel a similar compulsion when I see the endless drivel...
My bad for being part of the hijack.
You'll probably have a good argument as to why my statment is wrong, incomplete, or invalid...but it would simply back up my point even further...
It truely gets sickening after awhile.
And some of your reps...good grief, where do they dig these folks up? Oh yeah...I forgot the criteria for being one of these product reps.
I realize it's an obsessive compultion, but it's my opinion that the flood of that sort of stuff taints good discussion.
Well, I suppose if you feel that your favorite product is the end-all of discussions, and if only enough time and typing space is provided, and you do enough cut-n-pasting, you will eventually have everyone thinking exactly as you do now, then you probably find this sort of advertizing, posing as unbiased discussion, as healthy and required.(are run-on sentences allowed?)
I sure do not...and don't think I'm alone here.
I see some folks who are also Asoil reps offering up lots of good information. They are a great part of this board and the healthy discussions by intelligent folks each day.
If I were one of these folks, especially one that is paying for a sponsorship, I would absolutely hate the help I would be recieving from all of the other "reps" lurking with an arsenal of cut-n-pastes and endless arguments at the ready.
My griping and moaning doesn't help the thread much either...I just feel a similar compulsion when I see the endless drivel...
My bad for being part of the hijack.
You're exactly right. The Amsoil sponsors we have are responsible posters who are dedicated to advancing the quality of the discussions on here and not just hawking their wares. The other "reps" you mentioned--and one in particular--will never be BITOG Site Sponsors if I have any say in the matter simply because of their carnival barker, canned "Use Amsoil" responses that comprise 99% of their posts.
Right on.
I know Amsoil offers good products, and our sponsors here are men of integrity. No problem there at all. Personally, I'd like to see the product gain legitimacy (IMO) by being sold in stores. MLM, "carnival barkers" and internet "cut-and-pasters" have helped foster an opinion in my mind of "snake oyl", and not a product to be taken seriously.
My apologies for being crass in my pervious posts, but this thread turned away from being informative and became just another product commercial. One quite distasteful to me.
I do appreciate the recommendations given by all. I'm a newbie to H-D motorcycles and just want to make this bike last.
So,where are we on trans oil?
H-D Formula+, 10W-40, 75W-90?
A4TDI says "Personally, I'd like to see the product gain legitimacy (IMO) by being sold in stores."
Actually, in the Houston area, Amsoil is sold in all the Harley Davidson shops. It can also be found at Canadian Tire, some CarQuest and Napa stores. Actually, over a hundred stores in the Houston area sell Amsoil. Did I mention all 3500 of the State Police cars in Texas use Amsoil and have for many years?
If you have a favorite store in your area you'd like to see Amsoil sold, just send a site sponsor a note and it may happen.
Actually, in the Houston area, Amsoil is sold in all the Harley Davidson shops. It can also be found at Canadian Tire, some CarQuest and Napa stores. Actually, over a hundred stores in the Houston area sell Amsoil. Did I mention all 3500 of the State Police cars in Texas use Amsoil and have for many years?
If you have a favorite store in your area you'd like to see Amsoil sold, just send a site sponsor a note and it may happen.
Tim, I am aware of it being sold by some independant NAPA jobbers and at least one family-owned store in central Ohio. And you can get anything from the product catalog as long as it's a PCMO. Tell one of them that you have a 2004 VW TDI and see what they recommend. It's funny and sad at the same time.
My Harley shop only sells the MOCO's products and pushes SYN3. I happened to be there yesterday and asked a guy in the service department if they'd put something other than Harley oil in my cycle. He asked: "Like Amsoil or Redline"? And then he said: "Sure, as long as you use a synthetic". "Our SYN3 is Amsoil".
See what I mean?
My Harley shop only sells the MOCO's products and pushes SYN3. I happened to be there yesterday and asked a guy in the service department if they'd put something other than Harley oil in my cycle. He asked: "Like Amsoil or Redline"? And then he said: "Sure, as long as you use a synthetic". "Our SYN3 is Amsoil".
See what I mean?
cfromc,
Our Sporty only has about 700 miles on it so I haven't tried it yet. I'm guessing Formula+ is factory-fill anyway. Since Harley lubricants seem to be over priced and rather "average", I was hoping to find a synthetic product to use instead.
Our Sporty only has about 700 miles on it so I haven't tried it yet. I'm guessing Formula+ is factory-fill anyway. Since Harley lubricants seem to be over priced and rather "average", I was hoping to find a synthetic product to use instead.
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cfromc,
Our Sporty only has about 700 miles on it so I haven't tried it yet. I'm guessing Formula+ is factory-fill anyway. Since Harley lubricants seem to be over priced and rather "average", I was hoping to find a synthetic product to use instead.
You've the right idea summed up nicely in this post. Lot's of more cost-effective lubricants, that are even better performers than the Harley-branded ones. If I had 700 miles on a Sportster, I'd have the oil changed out by now! Use any good Motorcycle Synthetic Oil. If you are going to do short OCI's (which, I'm guessing you probably aren't), you can even use HDEO's such as Rotella or Delo...in that bike, 20w-50 weight. Just my opinion, but, it is based on using Rotella and Delo in bikes in the past, with zero problems.
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