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Car 2008 Honda Civic 4-door, automatic trans, no special options, no modifications, a basic 4-door commuter car.

Location Los Angles, Calif (mild climate no show/ice)

Driving habits car not abused, driven carefully but not like a little old lady at exactly the speed limit in the fast lane, often driven at 70-80 to keep up with the flow of LA traffic and often in stop and go traffic at rush hour where average speeds are under 10 mph for much of the commute.

Ambient temp range 35F-115F Days below 40 less than a month. Days above 100F less than a month. Most temps 55-75 per google

Chevron Techron used in the last tank of fuel before each oil change to help remove fallout from cleaning.

Air filter changed every 3rd oil change (15k miles)

Coolant drained out of bottom of radiator (not flushed) and replaced with factory coolant every 15k miles.

Same with trans fluid, drain and fill not flushed, factory fluid also used.

Just trying to give a good idea of the background for the question.

Correct grade and spec per the owner's manual.

Question. If the oil is changed every 5k miles, not using the OLM and using a Honda oil filter does it make any difference what oil is used if the car is kept 100k miles, commute 10 miles one way to work and back (short commute by LA standards), Monday-Friday and errands and occasional trips on the weekend and have the car services by-the-book at either a dealer or an independent with factory trained techs?
 
Originally Posted By: ThirdeYe
I agree, but I think even with 5k OCI's with conventional, it'll last well over 100k.


I agree
 
Would you call this maintenance plan complete and cost effective considering that this plan is designed so that the owner can do most things at home with basic tools? That is let the service center do the required maintenance except for those listed above that the owner can do. Things like balancing tires and changing a timing belt can be left to a trained mechanic with the proper tools.
 
Originally Posted By: BarkerMan
Would you call this maintenance plan complete and cost effective?

No. You are needlessly wasting money with your intervals, yet you have forgotten other necessary items.

Oil Changes should NEVER be more often that what the OLM recommends. Anything more frequent is a waste of moeny.

Trans fluid should follow the OLM as the Civic is one of the few Honda vehicles that have a transmission fluid OLM.

Coolant is good for 100k miles or so.

Cabin Air Filter should be replaced every 15k miles, especially important in SoCal conditions. Brake fluid should be flushed every two years.
 
Critic, sounds like you have a lot of faith in the OLM. I don't know anything about it, but I have heard some poeple say it gives much different intervals (% life) depending on the type of oil used.? Does that sound right? Does the OLM know the oil's viscosity? I am curious as to what the OLM can and can't do.

I would never go 100k on any coolant personally but I like the air filter and brake fluid intervals.
 
Originally Posted By: saaber1
Critic, sounds like you have a lot of faith in the OLM. I don't know anything about it, but I have heard some poeple say it gives much different intervals (% life) depending on the type of oil used.? Does that sound right? Does the OLM know the oil's viscosity? I am curious as to what the OLM can and can't do.

I would never go 100k on any coolant personally but I like the air filter and brake fluid intervals.

The OLM assumes that you are using an approved oil. The OLM for the Civic was validated on latest conventional API spec-ed engine oil.

Changing the oil type does not always increase oil life. The OLM will not adjust for synthetic or conventional oil. It determines oil life by a computerized software model that takes many factors into account.
 
Originally Posted By: The Critic

The OLM assumes that you are using an approved oil. The OLM for the Civic was validated on latest conventional API spec-ed engine oil.

Changing the oil type does not always increase oil life. The OLM will not adjust for synthetic or conventional oil. It determines oil life by a computerized software model that takes many factors into account.


I was researching it because a friend needs to do the first change on a Honda fit and I was trying to figure out the consensus (good luck ha ha) for when to do the first oil change. A specific example was something like this: one person reported that at x miles since the last oil change it now says 70% life when using mobil 1 when before it would say 30% life at the same miles (fictional numbers used). Is that possible? What factors does the OLM consider? Could the difference be due to driving habits alone?

BTW, would mobil 1 5W20 be a good oil for the fit? Amsoil 5W20? Not trying to highjack this thread...
 
Originally Posted By: saaber1
Originally Posted By: The Critic

The OLM assumes that you are using an approved oil. The OLM for the Civic was validated on latest conventional API spec-ed engine oil.

Changing the oil type does not always increase oil life. The OLM will not adjust for synthetic or conventional oil. It determines oil life by a computerized software model that takes many factors into account.


Could the difference be due to driving habits alone?

Definitely. Use a 5w-20 conventional oil. There's no need to use synthetic oil.
 
With OLM dictated oil changes (6-9K per), there is no reason NOT to use synthetic oil either! Hi revving tight tolerances love synthetic, especially in LA heat and stop/go traffic.
 
Originally Posted By: HighwayRanger
With OLM dictated oil changes (6-9K per), there is no reason NOT to use synthetic oil either! Hi revving tight tolerances love synthetic, especially in LA heat and stop/go traffic.

Prove it.
 
Question. If the oil is changed every 5k miles, not using the OLM and using a Honda oil filter does it make any difference what oil is used if the car is kept 100k miles...

On a Honda? H__l, no.

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I use good synth and Honda OLM to get a bit more time in between oil changes because I drive a lot and I already have the synth. If I did not, I'd probally go with sale dino at 6000 miles/4 months. Sale synth with the olm is fine too. I just think 5000 miles on dino is too short.
 
Unless the mfg requires a syn oil there is no real advantage in running synoil for 5,000 mile oil changes . Twenty years ago syns were way better than dino oils .The new dinos work fine . Syn is not needed for a honda to get over 300,000 miles. Look up uoas.
 
Sorry Mr. Critic, I'm no expert, so I can't prove it, but common sense tells me that cleaner, cooler, lighter, more durable oil is the logical way to go, especially when approaching or exceeding 10K oil change intervals. I'm playing the old "peace of mind" card on this one!
 
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