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Oil spill in the Gulf
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Originally Posted By: Trvlr500
Originally Posted By: Shannow
tempest, does a company ever in your estimation have to stand up for their own messes ?
It's always "Govt made them do it"
In THIS case, Shannow. The government DID. We have almost unlimited oil resources right here in the USA, ON LAND and in much shallower water. The Bakken oil field in Montana and North Dakota is just ONE.
In addition to that well known fact I, as well as many others think this spill was intentionally allowed to spread so they can try to force Cap and Trade on us. The president has "dictatorial powers" to contain a mess like this and he sat around on his butt going golfing and visiting with Paul McCartney while this thing got out of hand.
They didn't have to wait for some "environmental impact study" to start building the sand berms. They didn't have to ask for permission from the Sierra Club to set that stuff on fire and Obama didn't have to give BP a pass on meeting the safety regulations for drilling which he did.
Obama is bought and paid for by BP. He's doing what they tell him. Another little known fact is that BP all but wrote the Cap and Trade Bill. They will cash in on the C02 scam just as all the oil companies will.
This is economic warfare by someone. As for who? That would be anyone's guess. I know one thing. What is this president or any other for that matter doing taking bribes from a foriegn owned company?
The more I hear about what has gone on behind the scenes the more I believe what MANY are eluding to. The spread of this mess was done intentionally.
BP will not lose a dime on this. The taxpayer will foot the entire bill because a bunch of greedy criminals want the Cap and Trade Bill. They have already upped the tax on every barrel of oil BP sells. Who pays that? We do.
I don't know about anyone else but every time we have a disaster in this country our freedom is eroded and our economy suffers. I don't believe in coincidence.
Right now I'm well medicated, but when this back is fixed I'll take $50 worth of whatever you're smoking. I too need such vision(s).
Unlimited?
Originally Posted By: Shannow
tempest, does a company ever in your estimation have to stand up for their own messes ?
It's always "Govt made them do it"
In THIS case, Shannow. The government DID. We have almost unlimited oil resources right here in the USA, ON LAND and in much shallower water. The Bakken oil field in Montana and North Dakota is just ONE.
In addition to that well known fact I, as well as many others think this spill was intentionally allowed to spread so they can try to force Cap and Trade on us. The president has "dictatorial powers" to contain a mess like this and he sat around on his butt going golfing and visiting with Paul McCartney while this thing got out of hand.
They didn't have to wait for some "environmental impact study" to start building the sand berms. They didn't have to ask for permission from the Sierra Club to set that stuff on fire and Obama didn't have to give BP a pass on meeting the safety regulations for drilling which he did.
Obama is bought and paid for by BP. He's doing what they tell him. Another little known fact is that BP all but wrote the Cap and Trade Bill. They will cash in on the C02 scam just as all the oil companies will.
This is economic warfare by someone. As for who? That would be anyone's guess. I know one thing. What is this president or any other for that matter doing taking bribes from a foriegn owned company?
The more I hear about what has gone on behind the scenes the more I believe what MANY are eluding to. The spread of this mess was done intentionally.
BP will not lose a dime on this. The taxpayer will foot the entire bill because a bunch of greedy criminals want the Cap and Trade Bill. They have already upped the tax on every barrel of oil BP sells. Who pays that? We do.
I don't know about anyone else but every time we have a disaster in this country our freedom is eroded and our economy suffers. I don't believe in coincidence.
Right now I'm well medicated, but when this back is fixed I'll take $50 worth of whatever you're smoking. I too need such vision(s).
Unlimited?
Originally Posted By: Tempest
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(note, entice, not force at gunpoint)
Do you think they would rather be drilling on the vast prohibited lands on shore, or 40 miles out in the ocean and 5K ft down?
Both if profitable.
If the onshore oil is low volume and the off shore 5k ft deep oil is a jack pot, I'd be sure they want to drill off shore if they can only pick one.
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(note, entice, not force at gunpoint)
Do you think they would rather be drilling on the vast prohibited lands on shore, or 40 miles out in the ocean and 5K ft down?
Both if profitable.
If the onshore oil is low volume and the off shore 5k ft deep oil is a jack pot, I'd be sure they want to drill off shore if they can only pick one.
Originally Posted By: Tempest
However, if a landlord rents a property to a hazardous chemical company, and there are laws that require that owner to conduct inspections of a certain type at certain intervals...and they don't. How much liability and fault are the land owners at for any catastrophic accidents that might happen?
It's also clear that the owners of the land that BP was drilling on had NO contingency plan for this accident as well.
If the Hazardous company promise the landlord it is alright, and the insurance company and the construction company also come out to the landlord and said that this is nearly impossible for disaster to happen, then an accident happen because the Hazardous company and the construction company didn't follow the protocols.
Who is then at fault? I'm sure it is not the landlord.
However, if a landlord rents a property to a hazardous chemical company, and there are laws that require that owner to conduct inspections of a certain type at certain intervals...and they don't. How much liability and fault are the land owners at for any catastrophic accidents that might happen?
It's also clear that the owners of the land that BP was drilling on had NO contingency plan for this accident as well.
If the Hazardous company promise the landlord it is alright, and the insurance company and the construction company also come out to the landlord and said that this is nearly impossible for disaster to happen, then an accident happen because the Hazardous company and the construction company didn't follow the protocols.
Who is then at fault? I'm sure it is not the landlord.
Originally Posted By: Trvlr500
BP IS responsible for THIS mess but eco-terrorist groups are to blame for them being out there in the first place which is ultimately the root cause of the whole problem. I can gurantee you that eco-terrorists world wide are throwing a party over this becaue now they think the have an excuse to collect big money on Cap and Trade and stop oil exploration at sea altogether.
I think these 2 are independent issue. Oil companies want to drill everywhere if that means they found oil under the white house and capital hill and your backyard they want to drill it too. There are enough oil in the market, and the volatility of the market is not going to change much if we drill one or two more oil field or not, a slight change maybe, but not a lot consider the amount of oil used and the amount of 1 or 2 fields in wildlife refuge can provide.
In the end, it is just as ridiculous to say someone intentionally blow the field up because this is the worst outcome that these "econuts" try to prevent. You don't cause a certain worst case damage just to prevent a possible bad to worse case damage.
The only possible reason is BP pushes the edge too fall and fell of the cliff, nothing intentional, nothing political, just profit and risk/reward ratio miscalculated.
BP IS responsible for THIS mess but eco-terrorist groups are to blame for them being out there in the first place which is ultimately the root cause of the whole problem. I can gurantee you that eco-terrorists world wide are throwing a party over this becaue now they think the have an excuse to collect big money on Cap and Trade and stop oil exploration at sea altogether.
I think these 2 are independent issue. Oil companies want to drill everywhere if that means they found oil under the white house and capital hill and your backyard they want to drill it too. There are enough oil in the market, and the volatility of the market is not going to change much if we drill one or two more oil field or not, a slight change maybe, but not a lot consider the amount of oil used and the amount of 1 or 2 fields in wildlife refuge can provide.
In the end, it is just as ridiculous to say someone intentionally blow the field up because this is the worst outcome that these "econuts" try to prevent. You don't cause a certain worst case damage just to prevent a possible bad to worse case damage.
The only possible reason is BP pushes the edge too fall and fell of the cliff, nothing intentional, nothing political, just profit and risk/reward ratio miscalculated.
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
In the end, it is just as ridiculous to say someone intentionally blow the field up because this is the worst outcome that these "econuts" try to prevent. You don't cause a certain worst case damage just to prevent a possible bad to worse case damage.
The only possible reason is BP pushes the edge too fall and fell of the cliff, nothing intentional, nothing political, just profit and risk/reward ratio miscalculated.
No, it is not nuts at all, perhaps you and others can't see the means to an end in this.
Plenty of false flag disasters have been perpetrated on an unsuspecting public look up things like operation northwoods and many others from many different parties.
In the end, it is just as ridiculous to say someone intentionally blow the field up because this is the worst outcome that these "econuts" try to prevent. You don't cause a certain worst case damage just to prevent a possible bad to worse case damage.
The only possible reason is BP pushes the edge too fall and fell of the cliff, nothing intentional, nothing political, just profit and risk/reward ratio miscalculated.
No, it is not nuts at all, perhaps you and others can't see the means to an end in this.
Plenty of false flag disasters have been perpetrated on an unsuspecting public look up things like operation northwoods and many others from many different parties.
http://littlesis.org/org/57700/Energy_Biosciences_Institute
http://littlesis.org/org/57700/Energy_Biosciences_Institute/interlocks
Shannow, spend some time on Littlesis. You can find out who's doing what for whom, who's greasing who's palms, who is financially backed by whom. It's a new website that just started up. The home page explains what they do.
BP has a vested interest in Cap and Trade just like their biggest shareholder JP Morgan/Chase does. BP had a hand in writing the Cap and Trade legislation.
As for my "gauranteeing" that the various environmental terrorist groups are "throwing a party" over this? You won't see it in public but I know they are.
[Trvlr500 -- Take your politics someplace else or keep them out of sight tightly wrapped in your tinfoil hat]
I think it's time for everyone to look at the big picture and realize that "the international community" under the UN, the Trilateral Commission, the CFR and the Bilderbergs aren't a theory and there IS a conspiracy to erase ALL borders of every country on this planet and install a global government, a global military, a global police force etc., etc.
They don't care what WE want and they don't care about anyone's soveriegnty either. Nor do they care about our civil rights. The U.S has to be knocked down to third world status to achieve the final goal and this eco-terrorist movement which has absolutely no facts, no science and no hard data to back itself up with WILL destroy the United States and take everyone else down with it.
http://littlesis.org/org/57700/Energy_Biosciences_Institute/interlocks
Shannow, spend some time on Littlesis. You can find out who's doing what for whom, who's greasing who's palms, who is financially backed by whom. It's a new website that just started up. The home page explains what they do.
BP has a vested interest in Cap and Trade just like their biggest shareholder JP Morgan/Chase does. BP had a hand in writing the Cap and Trade legislation.
As for my "gauranteeing" that the various environmental terrorist groups are "throwing a party" over this? You won't see it in public but I know they are.
[Trvlr500 -- Take your politics someplace else or keep them out of sight tightly wrapped in your tinfoil hat]
I think it's time for everyone to look at the big picture and realize that "the international community" under the UN, the Trilateral Commission, the CFR and the Bilderbergs aren't a theory and there IS a conspiracy to erase ALL borders of every country on this planet and install a global government, a global military, a global police force etc., etc.
They don't care what WE want and they don't care about anyone's soveriegnty either. Nor do they care about our civil rights. The U.S has to be knocked down to third world status to achieve the final goal and this eco-terrorist movement which has absolutely no facts, no science and no hard data to back itself up with WILL destroy the United States and take everyone else down with it.
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Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
Originally Posted By: Trvlr500
Originally Posted By: Shannow
tempest, does a company ever in your estimation have to stand up for their own messes ?
It's always "Govt made them do it"
In THIS case, Shannow. The government DID. We have almost unlimited oil resources right here in the USA, ON LAND and in much shallower water. The Bakken oil field in Montana and North Dakota is just ONE.
In addition to that well known fact I, as well as many others think this spill was intentionally allowed to spread so they can try to force Cap and Trade on us. The president has "dictatorial powers" to contain a mess like this and he sat around on his butt going golfing and visiting with Paul McCartney while this thing got out of hand.
They didn't have to wait for some "environmental impact study" to start building the sand berms. They didn't have to ask for permission from the Sierra Club to set that stuff on fire and Obama didn't have to give BP a pass on meeting the safety regulations for drilling which he did.
Obama is bought and paid for by BP. He's doing what they tell him. Another little known fact is that BP all but wrote the Cap and Trade Bill. They will cash in on the C02 scam just as all the oil companies will.
This is economic warfare by someone. As for who? That would be anyone's guess. I know one thing. What is this president or any other for that matter doing taking bribes from a foriegn owned company?
The more I hear about what has gone on behind the scenes the more I believe what MANY are eluding to. The spread of this mess was done intentionally.
BP will not lose a dime on this. The taxpayer will foot the entire bill because a bunch of greedy criminals want the Cap and Trade Bill. They have already upped the tax on every barrel of oil BP sells. Who pays that? We do.
I don't know about anyone else but every time we have a disaster in this country our freedom is eroded and our economy suffers. I don't believe in coincidence.
Right now I'm well medicated, but when this back is fixed I'll take $50 worth of whatever you're smoking. I too need such vision(s).
Unlimited?
I'm not smoking a thing but I would sure like to have what everyone that believes in global warming and peak oil is smoking. UH, actually maybe I wouldn't.
Oil is not a finite resource. It is manufactured by a chemical reaction deep inside the earth. The oil fields that go dry re-fill on a regular basis. They don't know what creates this chemical reaction but oil is NOT a finite resource and oil IS NOT a fossil fuel. Geez, how many dinsaurs do you think there were?
What BP did was tap into the source that refills the shallower pools of oil in the earth. If you listened to anyone besides the Main Scream Media and the various eco-terrorist groups you would know what so many of us already know. There is no such thing as peak oil. It's a scam used to control the price AND control our freedom.
Remember the "peak oil" scam of the 70's? Funny how it's forty years later and we've got oil spewing out of the gulf sea floor that we can't stop and that is just ONE well out of thousands.
Originally Posted By: Trvlr500
Originally Posted By: Shannow
tempest, does a company ever in your estimation have to stand up for their own messes ?
It's always "Govt made them do it"
In THIS case, Shannow. The government DID. We have almost unlimited oil resources right here in the USA, ON LAND and in much shallower water. The Bakken oil field in Montana and North Dakota is just ONE.
In addition to that well known fact I, as well as many others think this spill was intentionally allowed to spread so they can try to force Cap and Trade on us. The president has "dictatorial powers" to contain a mess like this and he sat around on his butt going golfing and visiting with Paul McCartney while this thing got out of hand.
They didn't have to wait for some "environmental impact study" to start building the sand berms. They didn't have to ask for permission from the Sierra Club to set that stuff on fire and Obama didn't have to give BP a pass on meeting the safety regulations for drilling which he did.
Obama is bought and paid for by BP. He's doing what they tell him. Another little known fact is that BP all but wrote the Cap and Trade Bill. They will cash in on the C02 scam just as all the oil companies will.
This is economic warfare by someone. As for who? That would be anyone's guess. I know one thing. What is this president or any other for that matter doing taking bribes from a foriegn owned company?
The more I hear about what has gone on behind the scenes the more I believe what MANY are eluding to. The spread of this mess was done intentionally.
BP will not lose a dime on this. The taxpayer will foot the entire bill because a bunch of greedy criminals want the Cap and Trade Bill. They have already upped the tax on every barrel of oil BP sells. Who pays that? We do.
I don't know about anyone else but every time we have a disaster in this country our freedom is eroded and our economy suffers. I don't believe in coincidence.
Right now I'm well medicated, but when this back is fixed I'll take $50 worth of whatever you're smoking. I too need such vision(s).
Unlimited?
I'm not smoking a thing but I would sure like to have what everyone that believes in global warming and peak oil is smoking. UH, actually maybe I wouldn't.
Oil is not a finite resource. It is manufactured by a chemical reaction deep inside the earth. The oil fields that go dry re-fill on a regular basis. They don't know what creates this chemical reaction but oil is NOT a finite resource and oil IS NOT a fossil fuel. Geez, how many dinsaurs do you think there were?
What BP did was tap into the source that refills the shallower pools of oil in the earth. If you listened to anyone besides the Main Scream Media and the various eco-terrorist groups you would know what so many of us already know. There is no such thing as peak oil. It's a scam used to control the price AND control our freedom.
Remember the "peak oil" scam of the 70's? Funny how it's forty years later and we've got oil spewing out of the gulf sea floor that we can't stop and that is just ONE well out of thousands.
Lindsay Williams has been very accurate over the years when it comes to the oil industry shenanigans. There are four parts to the above interview with Jeff Rense.
He has a much different take on the oil spill than the garbage we are normally fed. Whether anyone believes him or not is up to them.
He has a much different take on the oil spill than the garbage we are normally fed. Whether anyone believes him or not is up to them.
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The only possible reason is BP pushes the edge too fall and fell of the cliff, nothing intentional, nothing political, just profit and risk/reward ratio miscalculated.
HOGWASH!
http://littlesis.org/
Spend some time here, Panda. Littlesis has journalists and other researching what goes on behind the scenes AND they tell you WHERE they got their info from.
Everything is political and everything is about Wall Street making money off of us. Just like Cap and Trade is.
HOGWASH!
http://littlesis.org/
Spend some time here, Panda. Littlesis has journalists and other researching what goes on behind the scenes AND they tell you WHERE they got their info from.
Everything is political and everything is about Wall Street making money off of us. Just like Cap and Trade is.
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Originally Posted By: Trvlr500
Oil is not a finite resource. It is manufactured by a chemical reaction deep inside the earth. The oil fields that go dry re-fill on a regular basis. They don't know what creates this chemical reaction but oil is NOT a finite resource and oil IS NOT a fossil fuel. Geez, how many dinsaurs do you think there were?
So the globe on which we live is infinite, and continually expanding ?
If not then that defines everything that you see around you as finite, i.e. constrained to the current size of the globs.
I firmly believe that there is SOME abiotic oil, but to believe that it's most, and to believe that it's not finite given a finite globe is lunacy.
Who said that oil is made from dinosaurs ?
The billions of tonnes of coal are quite demonstrably a fossil fuel (and not dinosaurs either).
C'mon, pass it around, it must be good stuff.
Oil is not a finite resource. It is manufactured by a chemical reaction deep inside the earth. The oil fields that go dry re-fill on a regular basis. They don't know what creates this chemical reaction but oil is NOT a finite resource and oil IS NOT a fossil fuel. Geez, how many dinsaurs do you think there were?
So the globe on which we live is infinite, and continually expanding ?
If not then that defines everything that you see around you as finite, i.e. constrained to the current size of the globs.
I firmly believe that there is SOME abiotic oil, but to believe that it's most, and to believe that it's not finite given a finite globe is lunacy.
Who said that oil is made from dinosaurs ?
The billions of tonnes of coal are quite demonstrably a fossil fuel (and not dinosaurs either).
C'mon, pass it around, it must be good stuff.
I agree about the NWO stuff since I first heard about it in 1970 and been watching it come to the surface. It is at least Biblical.
Every 33 feet down the pressure doubles so there is lots of pressure at 5,000 feet, though oil more or less is lighter than water ,visually there must be super high pressure and with reports of the well caseing being ruptures and exactly how deep was the well is from the ocean floor 30,000? feet we are in deep doo doo. Something is really fishy beyond belief. Well what ever it takes to get cap and trade passed. We need a world tax anyway.
Nope, at 33 feet, it's two atmospheres, 66 feet, 3 etc.
Every 33 feet is another atmospheric pressure, in linear, not exponential fashion.
I'm into Conspiracies in a big way, but I can't see the link between an oil leak and a carbone dioxide tax.
Every 33 feet is another atmospheric pressure, in linear, not exponential fashion.
I'm into Conspiracies in a big way, but I can't see the link between an oil leak and a carbone dioxide tax.
I'm into Conspiracies in a big way, but I can't see the link between an oil leak and a carbone dioxide tax.
There isn't one but for "the believers" they think that if we stop driving and stop drilling the C02 level will fall and we can save the planet.
There isn't one but for "the believers" they think that if we stop driving and stop drilling the C02 level will fall and we can save the planet.
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: Trvlr500
Oil is not a finite resource. It is manufactured by a chemical reaction deep inside the earth. The oil fields that go dry re-fill on a regular basis. They don't know what creates this chemical reaction but oil is NOT a finite resource and oil IS NOT a fossil fuel. Geez, how many dinsaurs do you think there were?
So the globe on which we live is infinite, and continually expanding ?
If not then that defines everything that you see around you as finite, i.e. constrained to the current size of the globs.
I firmly believe that there is SOME abiotic oil, but to believe that it's most, and to believe that it's not finite given a finite globe is lunacy.
Who said that oil is made from dinosaurs ?
The billions of tonnes of coal are quite demonstrably a fossil fuel (and not dinosaurs either).
C'mon, pass it around, it must be good stuff.
My remark about dinosaurs was a tongue in cheek remark since they have been calling oil a fossil fuel for so long when it isn't. At least not all of it.
For the time being, at our present usage of oil the US has enough to support our current usage for at least another 200 years. Right here in the US. Sure, it is possible to use it up faster than it is created due to other poor decisions being made which I won't go into and it is possible we may run out in the distant future but that time isn't now and by the time it really is a problem there will be real alternative technologies instead of this pie in the sky solar and windmill tripe.
There is always natural gas. They can use that but the eco-terrorists block exploration for that as well. They can also make gas out of coal but they aren't doing that either. They also won't let us build any more nuclear plants. But I'm "smoking something" or am wearing a "tin foil hat" when I start looking at the reasons why.
The problem is there are those who do not want us to be energy dependant.
Originally Posted By: Trvlr500
Oil is not a finite resource. It is manufactured by a chemical reaction deep inside the earth. The oil fields that go dry re-fill on a regular basis. They don't know what creates this chemical reaction but oil is NOT a finite resource and oil IS NOT a fossil fuel. Geez, how many dinsaurs do you think there were?
So the globe on which we live is infinite, and continually expanding ?
If not then that defines everything that you see around you as finite, i.e. constrained to the current size of the globs.
I firmly believe that there is SOME abiotic oil, but to believe that it's most, and to believe that it's not finite given a finite globe is lunacy.
Who said that oil is made from dinosaurs ?
The billions of tonnes of coal are quite demonstrably a fossil fuel (and not dinosaurs either).
C'mon, pass it around, it must be good stuff.
My remark about dinosaurs was a tongue in cheek remark since they have been calling oil a fossil fuel for so long when it isn't. At least not all of it.
For the time being, at our present usage of oil the US has enough to support our current usage for at least another 200 years. Right here in the US. Sure, it is possible to use it up faster than it is created due to other poor decisions being made which I won't go into and it is possible we may run out in the distant future but that time isn't now and by the time it really is a problem there will be real alternative technologies instead of this pie in the sky solar and windmill tripe.
There is always natural gas. They can use that but the eco-terrorists block exploration for that as well. They can also make gas out of coal but they aren't doing that either. They also won't let us build any more nuclear plants. But I'm "smoking something" or am wearing a "tin foil hat" when I start looking at the reasons why.
The problem is there are those who do not want us to be energy dependant.
Originally Posted By: Trvlr500
There isn't one but for "the believers" they think that if we stop driving and stop drilling the C02 level will fall and we can save the planet.
They believe that not burning things that are not grown recently (if you consider fossil fuel grown millions of years ago, you can call that renewable energy too), C02 will not increase.
The only way to get C02 to fall is to grow something and put it back into a hole and bury it for million of years, or if you use calcium or other minerals to absorb the C02 and convert into something more stable (limestone).
There isn't one but for "the believers" they think that if we stop driving and stop drilling the C02 level will fall and we can save the planet.
They believe that not burning things that are not grown recently (if you consider fossil fuel grown millions of years ago, you can call that renewable energy too), C02 will not increase.
The only way to get C02 to fall is to grow something and put it back into a hole and bury it for million of years, or if you use calcium or other minerals to absorb the C02 and convert into something more stable (limestone).
Originally Posted By: Trvlr500
But I'm "smoking something" or am wearing a "tin foil hat" when I start looking at the reasons why.
The problem is there are those who do not want us to be energy dependant.
I'm sure Tempest will agree with me that there will always be enough oil if the price is right. When oil is $30 a barrel, a lot of the fields are shut down, at $120 a barrel, man will extract oil out of [tar] sand. I'm sure at $300 a barrel, everyone will be brewing algae on their roof and restaurants will be robbed for used cooking oil.
The only problem is before the right price point is reached, the hippies want everyone to pay up and reduce oil usage/exploration and the "real men who don't drive mini anything" wants everyone to drill at below cost so they can keep driving.
But I'm "smoking something" or am wearing a "tin foil hat" when I start looking at the reasons why.
The problem is there are those who do not want us to be energy dependant.
I'm sure Tempest will agree with me that there will always be enough oil if the price is right. When oil is $30 a barrel, a lot of the fields are shut down, at $120 a barrel, man will extract oil out of [tar] sand. I'm sure at $300 a barrel, everyone will be brewing algae on their roof and restaurants will be robbed for used cooking oil.
The only problem is before the right price point is reached, the hippies want everyone to pay up and reduce oil usage/exploration and the "real men who don't drive mini anything" wants everyone to drill at below cost so they can keep driving.
This has been all over the news during the last 24 hours, but in case anyone missed it...
BP Cost-Cutting Added Risks at ‘Nightmare’ Well
Nothing we didn't already know, just more 'smoking gun' evidence against BP.
BP Cost-Cutting Added Risks at ‘Nightmare’ Well
Nothing we didn't already know, just more 'smoking gun' evidence against BP.
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