Oil spill in the Gulf

[LTVibe]

Spill, Baby, Spill!

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...All oil comes from someone’s backyard, and when we don’t reduce the amount of oil we consume, and refuse to drill at home, we end up getting people to drill for us in Kazakhstan, Angola and Nigeria — places without America’s strong environmental safeguards or the resources to enforce them.

...and Nigeria has suffered spills equivalent to that of the Exxon Valdez every year since 1969. (As of last year, Nigeria had 2,000 active spills.) Since the Santa Barbara spill of 1969, and the more than 40 Earth Days that have followed, Americans have increased by two-thirds the amount of petroleum we consume in our cars, while nearly quadrupling the quantity we import. Effectively, we’ve been importing oil and exporting spills to villages and waterways all over the world.

The Deepwater Horizon spill illustrates that every gallon of gas is a gallon of risks — risks of spills in production and transport, of worker deaths, of asthma-inducing air pollution...

We should print these risks on every gasoline receipt, just as we label smoking’s risks on cigarette packs.

 

[Trvlr500]

This whole debacle is just another scam to screw over America.

First of all, it is rather suspicious that an oil rig blows up like that and sinks considering there are no explosives or flammables stored on board, except diesel fuel on board and diesel fuel wouldn't blow up like that. If there was a gas bubble coming up the pipe they would have had advance notice. Those rigs are "compartmentalized" to prevent sinking and they are HUGE.

Then, they sit on their hands for a week and let it spread without using the "fire-boom" plan that they decided on back in 1994 because there were no fire-booms in the area. Setting it on fire from the git-go would not have hurt the environment at all and contained it until they figured out something else.

Now, they have a massive problem they can't prevent, or fix and another excuse to tell us we can't drill for our own oil as well as another excuse to push ______________ which is just another tax to destroy our economy.

Furthermore, if they were drilling on land like up in Alaska or in North Dakota and Montana where they KNOW we have HUGE supplies of oil an oil spill would be FAR easier to control.

Accidents happen but capitalizing on them to send America to the poor farm is criminal to say the least.

My own opinion is this was done on purpose and with every tradjedy over the last 20 years, or more, we'll get fed a pack of lies concerning how and what really happened.

When was the last time something of this magnitude happened and the MSM didn't have eye-witnesses lined up explaining what happened?

The answer? Never. Something smells about this whole debacle.

 

[Gary Allan]

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and Nigeria has suffered spills equivalent to that of the Exxon Valdez every year since 1969. (As of last year, Nigeria had 2,000 active spills.)


When the price of oil went up my in the beltway buddy wanted me to consider being the bwana at some reclamation project. There's enough there to keep you busy as long as the price stays up.

He said that city life there is dandy. From your hotel you don't notice that the street lights are all shot out until dusk. Then they light the 55 gallon drums for illumination.

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted By: LTVibe

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...We should print these risks on every gasoline receipt, just as we label smoking’s risks on cigarette packs.


Long as the pump price reflects the cost of clean-up, defending shipping lanes etc. then the market will find an alternative.

If the COST of oil isn't reflected in the market PRICE of oil, the market in oil and alternatives is majorly distorted.

 

[PandaBear]

Originally Posted By: Trvlr500
This whole debacle is just another scam to screw over America.

First of all, it is rather suspicious that an oil rig blows up like that and sinks considering there are no explosives or flammables stored on board, except diesel fuel on board and diesel fuel wouldn't blow up like that. If there was a gas bubble coming up the pipe they would have had advance notice. Those rigs are "compartmentalized" to prevent sinking and they are HUGE.

Then, they sit on their hands for a week and let it spread without using the "fire-boom" plan that they decided on back in 1994 because there were no fire-booms in the area. Setting it on fire from the git-go would not have hurt the environment at all and contained it until they figured out something else.

Now, they have a massive problem they can't prevent, or fix and another excuse to tell us we can't drill for our own oil as well as another excuse to push ______________ which is just another tax to destroy our economy.

Furthermore, if they were drilling on land like up in Alaska or in North Dakota and Montana where they KNOW we have HUGE supplies of oil an oil spill would be FAR easier to control.

Accidents happen but capitalizing on them to send America to the poor farm is criminal to say the least.

My own opinion is this was done on purpose and with every tradjedy over the last 20 years, or more, we'll get fed a pack of lies concerning how and what really happened.

When was the last time something of this magnitude happened and the MSM didn't have eye-witnesses lined up explaining what happened?

The answer? Never. Something smells about this whole debacle.


In engineering, especially resource mining, there is no way you can predict every possible outcome. You also forgot that human screw up and things are never perfect or followed accordingly.

To say we intentionally let it leak so we will ban oil drilling doesn't make sense, because you are introducing a certain failure to prevent future potential failure. When accident like this comes up, no body gets anything good out of this.

 

[HTSS_TR]

Originally Posted By: PandaBear

In engineering, especially resource mining, there is no way you can predict every possible outcome. You also forgot that human screw up and things are never perfect or followed accordingly.

To say we intentionally let it leak so we will ban oil drilling doesn't make sense, because you are introducing a certain failure to prevent future potential failure. When accident like this comes up, no body gets anything good out of this.


+1

 

[Gary Allan]

Oh, grant trv his Judas and his Red Guard.

 

[LTVibe]

Originally Posted By: PandaBear
...human screw up and things are never perfect or followed accordingly.

BP, Haliburton, and the U.S. government. All the players needed for a very dark comedy .

 

[rclint]

Just to trow out a few of my ideas on the situation. BP does seem like they are trying to do everything within their power from what I have seen, it's sad to see how the BP hate has went all the way to cleaning up an oil spill (as in fine them big, or have them sold off) as for insurance, I for one have never seen insurance fix anything. I would wager that if BP did have insurance to cover this situation the insurance company would not do the cleanup etc, nor fund it, they may in fact deem it a act of god. Insurance in my opinion is worthless to many every day people, much less a huge mega-million dollar company/well disaster whatever it is, they would be looking for someone to sue, blame, or pretty much fix this problem, and fund it be it federal aid whatever...

I think this is being blown up in the news, I for one hope it is, I hate to see anything harmed in the way the show is possible with the Exxon spill in Alaska. I'm not an environmentalist, and equal animal lover, etc, however I don't want to see any habitat ruined by an oil slick/spill, nor the animals that tangle up with it.

 

[LTVibe]

Originally Posted By: LTVibe
BP also requested help from Shell, Chevron and Anadarko. So far only ExxonMobil has stepped up to help.

BP Seeks Help From Other Oil Companies


Looks like Shell and other un-named companies have now joined the effort...

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-05...leaky-well.html

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Fryar, senior vice president of BP’s exploration and production business in Angola, is one of dozens of executives and engineers toiling in a tightly secured warren of offices on the third floor of one of BP’s buildings in suburban Houston, where the work of trying to manage the spill goes on 24 hours a day.

Fryar said 400 to 500 people are working at the center, with 60 percent coming from BP and the rest from other oil companies such as Exxon Mobil Corp. and Royal Dutch Shell Plc, private companies and U.S. agencies.

 

[PandaBear]

Originally Posted By: rclint
I would wager that if BP did have insurance to cover this situation the insurance company would not do the cleanup etc, nor fund it, they may in fact deem it a act of god. Insurance in my opinion is worthless to many every day people, much less a huge mega-million dollar company/well disaster whatever it is, they would be looking for someone to sue, blame, or pretty much fix this problem, and fund it be it federal aid whatever...


IMO Insurance in developed world has taken over many of the governing responsibility that a government should have done in the first place. Building inspection, regular audit, etc are now done by insurance companies to see if you are following rules and determine how much you are paying because of your risk factor. I don't know about you, but I'm certain that small government advocate like Tempest would sure love this because that's the "efficiency" of private businesses.

In terms of act of God, that's what insurance company is selling in this case. What kind of insurance are you buying if it is not covering the unforeseen in oil drilling? You can buy any insurance you want, but in many case it is not cost effective and the oil companies decided to self insure instead, and given the size of these companies, they sure can.

In that case, pay up.

 

[Liquid_Turbo]

You know what's funny? If I poured used oil in my yard I could be arrested! But BP goes free!

 

[LTVibe]

BP may not be off the hook yet...

Criminal Charges In BP Spill Are "Very Likely" Says Former DOJ Official

 

[mechanicx]

Originally Posted By: Liquid_Turbo
You know what's funny? If I poured used oil in my yard I could be arrested! But BP goes free!


Not if it was an accident, like say your oil filter blew out. That's all we need is DOJ getting involved in an equipment accident.

 

[LTVibe]

Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Not if it was an accident, like say your oil filter blew out. That's all we need is DOJ getting involved in an equipment accident.

But what if the oil filter was defective and you knew it could fail, but installed it anyway?

It's looking more and more like unnecessary risks were taken, the BOP was damaged and defective, and the dangers were completely ignored:

60 Minutes: The Deepwater Horizon Disaster

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...the destruction of the Deepwater Horizon had been building for weeks in a series of mishaps.

BP Risks More Massive Catastrophes In Gulf

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A former contractor who worked for BP claims the oil conglomerate broke federal laws and violated its own internal procedures by failing to maintain crucial safety and engineering documents related to one of the firms other deepwater production projects in the Gulf of Mexico, according to internal emails and other documents obtained by Truthout.

 

[Shannow]

It's the market at work LTVibe.

Risks go unrealised until they actually happen...then every one acts surprised that they lost their bet.

 

[Torino]

It looks like a win-win situation. If that field is as hot as the govt. controlled media says it is--WOW--thats a LOT of oil. I say go for it big time. John--Las Vegas.

 

[mechanicx]

I still think even if BP was negligent or reckless it's still a civil matter. Whatever regulations or industry laws they may have broken aren't really part of the criminal code. They are federal requalations for the industries, and there is probably litterally a million rules.

 

[Liquid_Turbo]

The pictures BP don't want you to see:

 

[RxxR]

[cenzored]

They deserve good