Oil spill in the Gulf

[Trvlr500]

There is no reason to limit C02. It is a harmless substance.

As far as the price of oil goes. It is simply set by those that control the industry just like silver, gold etc.

All one has to do is look at who owns BP and Exxon/Mobil and for that matter who controls the largest gold and silver mines.

As for this oil spill in the gulf. Yep, BP was responsible but so were many others. My pet peave is, why did they sit around for so long and just let it leak?

 

[Trvlr500]

Today's Max Keiser report has some interesting background on BP along with his usual report on what really goes on in the financial markets.

http://maxkeiser.com/

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted By: Trvlr500
There is no reason to limit C02. It is a harmless substance.


That's another area where you implicitly "know" stuff I take it.

Once upon a time, the Earth had an atmosphere of methane and CO2, you wouldn't declare it harmless there, nor would you in a room full of the stuff.

 

[Trvlr500]

C02 is plant food, Shannow. It's harmless. The vast majority of scientists around the world know it as well. I don't make this stuff up. I hear it from those who haven't been bought off in various interviews over the last 10 years.

Every time you exhale you put out C02. As the level of C02 rises the "foliage" on the planet increases along with it. That "hockey stick" graph is a lie. Michael Mann is a criminal.

On the Big 3 forum which I can't seem to get to any more I posted numerous links to various environmentalists, climatologists and scientists who know it is all a lie. The ones the media doesn't want you to hear. I even posted a very long article detailing who will make huge profits of the Cap and Trade Bill. It just gets ignored.

If you ever looked through any of it which you probably didn't I'm sure it was dismissed as nonsense. There's that cognitive dissonance again. That's why I very rarely post info like that because it just gets ignored by the believers.

We all know the saying, "If you tell people the same lie over and over agin it becomes the truth". That is all this barage of C02 propoganda is. It's a global tax is ALL it is and I don't intend on paying for it.

I always wondered how the dictators of the past got over on their respective populations. Now I know because I see it happening right now and not just in the US. It's gone global.

Las but not least. BITOG wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for oil. If these criminals pushing this garbage get there way and make all the gree-weenies happy by shutting down our oil supply completely I highly doubt there will be as many people discussing tires, oil or anything else on the subject of automobiles. It's one of America's favorit hobbies and it will dissappear.

 

[Trvlr500]

[Trvlr500 -- Take your politics someplace else or keep them out of sight tightly wrapped in your tinfoil hat]

What politics? I'm a political atheist. Tinfoil hat? Accepting reality for what it is doesn't require a tinfoil hat. Just a little common sense and the ability to think. LOL.

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted By: Trvlr500
C02 is plant food, Shannow. It's harmless. The vast majority of scientists around the world know it as well. I don't make this stuff up. I hear it from those who haven't been bought off in various interviews over the last 10 years.

Every time you exhale you put out C02. As the level of C02 rises the "foliage" on the planet increases along with it.


How do you explain a 50% increase in CO2 since we started this grand experiment, if in your view the plants can deal with every single mole of CO2 with increased production, while the reality is increased atmospheric concentration ?

If every single exhalation made more plants, then there would be no increase, and I would most certainly agree with you that more CO2 is no problem, as nature would be most assuredly dealing with it.

More unfolitated CO2 gives direct evidence that plants can't deal with what we are up to.

 

[pbm]

Without getting too political, I think there are those on BOTH sides of the GW debate that have an (non altruistic) agenda.
I certainly don't believe that GW is settled science.

 

[Shannow]

Agreed.

I can see only that we are producing CO2 greater than vegetation can suck it up and call for some sort of sensible prudence, rather than "just do it", or "stop it all".

 

[LTVibe]

For some interesting reading, the Feds have posted a list of the BP/Halliburton/Transocean/Schlumberger letters, emails, and reports on the Energy Commerce website:

http://energycommerce.house.gov/index.ph...s&Itemid=55

 

[PandaBear]

Tlvr500,

CO2 will not be "destroyed" by plants, plants store them as part of themselves until they die and decompose. Don't confuse storage with reduce.

The only way to remove C02, or carbon, by using plant is to bury it underground and do not let it decompose. Otherwise, you have to bind the carbon or C02 with something more stable than C02, like limestone.

 

[Vizzy]

CO2 is indeed removed from the atmosphere by plants and the plants produce oxygen in return.

The more green plant life the more oxygen is created.

A little known fact. The CO2 levels were much higher a few centuries ago. This level has been fluctuating for eons before man appeared on the scene.

This whole CO2 "problem" is nothing more than a way for the IMF and other globalists to impose a global tax. Nothing more than an extension of the New World Order's continuing power grab.

 

[SteveSRT8]

Originally Posted By: Vizzy
CO2 is indeed removed from the atmosphere by plants and the plants produce oxygen in return.

The more green plant life the more oxygen is created.

A little known fact. The CO2 levels were much higher a few centuries ago. This level has been fluctuating for eons before man appeared on the scene.

This whole CO2 "problem" is nothing more than a way for the IMF and other globalists to impose a global tax. Nothing more than an extension of the New World Order's continuing power grab.


Very sadly true.

Too many people enjoy drinking the Kool Aid!

 

[Tempest]

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I'm into Conspiracies in a big way, but I can't see the link between an oil leak and a carbone dioxide tax.

You may want to rethink that in light of recent events.
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Show me one ...

Can't within board rules but should be obvious by now.
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And those are linked ?

Make oil so expensive that they don't want to drill. This is a stated goal but you don't see it?
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If it wasn't feeding your car and lifestyle (and collectively mine and everyone else' then they wouldn't be there either).

Still got that 30 year old sports car?

 

[Tempest]

Originally Posted By: PandaBear

If the Hazardous company promise the landlord it is alright, and the insurance company and the construction company also come out to the landlord and said that this is nearly impossible for disaster to happen, then an accident happen because the Hazardous company and the construction company didn't follow the protocols.

Who is then at fault? I'm sure it is not the landlord.

There is no insurance company involved (probably would be if there was no artificial $75 million cap) or construction company representing safety to the owner of the land.

Your example doesn't hold water.

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted By: Tempest
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If it wasn't feeding your car and lifestyle (and collectively mine and everyone else' then they wouldn't be there either).

Still got that 30 year old sports car?


Note where I said mine as well ?

Sports car ?

It's the $1,300 30MPG (Oz) beater that I use to get to work in, hardly a sports car, and complete with the energy that was used to make it in 1985.

 

[Shannow]

Anyway, as usual, you intentionally missed the point.

If greenies are to blame for this mess, by forcing people to drill out this far, the blame must obviously expand to those who are paying them to drill out there (oil consumers).

I don't blame the greenies, and I certainly don't blame car drivers.

I blame BP.

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted By: Tempest
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I'm into Conspiracies in a big way, but I can't see the link between an oil leak and a carbone dioxide tax.

You may want to rethink that in light of recent events.


Why ?

Link ?

 

[LTVibe]

Remarks by ExxonMobil's Chairman and CEO

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We are eager to learn what occurred at this well that did not occur at the other 14,000 deepwater wells that have been successfully drilled around the world. It is critical we understand exactly what happened in this case, both the drill well design and operating procedures, and the execution of the drilling plans, which led to such severe consequences. We need to know if the level of risk taken went beyond the industry norms.

Based on the industry’s extensive experience, what we do know is that when you properly design wells for the range of risk anticipated, follow established procedures, build in layers of redundancy, properly inspect and maintain equipment, train operators, conduct tests and drills, and focus on safe operations and risk management, tragic incidents like the one we are witnessing in the Gulf of Mexico today should not occur.


Translation: BP effed up badly.

The entire oil industry will end up paying a price for BP's sins. And so will the consumers.

The damage to the environment will last for decades.

 

[Trvlr500]

The most abundant greenhouse gas is water vapor. The natural heating of the earth is what causes the water vapor from the oceans and therefore, the C02, to rise.

The earth has been cooling since 1999 which is why they changed their terminology to "climate change". In 1975 they were threatening us with "global cooling" when it was warming. Now when it is cooling they were saying it was warming.

The book "The Deniers" was written by the former president on an environmentalist group up in Canada. He spells out in that book the lie's concerning "man-made climate change". People who are true "emvironmentalists" know what the truth is.

When Russia recently hacked into a college in England the proof in thousands of e-mails was clear. The science is rigged, data was destroyed, warming trends in past history were not reported on and the numbers fictitious. If they are saying C02 has risen 50% it's a very good bet it's a lie. Nothing they say can be believed. They have been caught, red-handed, lying.

Passing a climate bill will not prevent oil spills or clean this one up. It will it do nothing but drive up taxation reduce freedom and drive this country into an economic collapse just like it has done with Europe.

 

[Trvlr500]

Originally Posted By: Vizzy
CO2 is indeed removed from the atmosphere by plants and the plants produce oxygen in return.

The more green plant life the more oxygen is created.

A little known fact. The CO2 levels were much higher a few centuries ago. This level has been fluctuating for eons before man appeared on the scene.

This whole CO2 "problem" is nothing more than a way for the IMF and other globalists to impose a global tax. Nothing more than an extension of the New World Order's continuing power grab.


Precisely.