Oil spill in the Gulf

[VNTS]

Sounds like they want to defer and push Cap and Tax which would be the absolute worst outcome.

Country needs to change the drilling/lease policy so we can search for oil on land IE Alaska and shallow water.

Doing these things at 5000+ ft presents risks.

let those who dont like our dependance on oil be the first to give up their cars and disconnect from the grid.

Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Originally Posted By: PandaBear

In engineering, especially resource mining, there is no way you can predict every possible outcome. You also forgot that human screw up and things are never perfect or followed accordingly.

To say we intentionally let it leak so we will ban oil drilling doesn't make sense, because you are introducing a certain failure to prevent future potential failure. When accident like this comes up, no body gets anything good out of this.


+1

 

[notlet_me_signup]

here's a way to stop the leak..

you know the spent nuke fuel rods used in power plants..
theyneed to submerge those in water so they do not ignite and burn up..


take one that will fit into the oil pipe that is leaking ont he ocean floor..

enclose the leaking section of pipe, with a cap, and place a section of spent fuel rod into the leaking pipe..
let it heat up so it fuses the pipe closed and makes the seal.

Since it is at the bottom of the ocean it wil never run out of coolant around the spent fuel rod which has fused the pipe sealed..

since it is a spent fuel rod, the risk of contimating a large area in minimal..

 

[Shannow]

What's the fusion point of the rock, versus the rupture point of the rod ?

And how can it possibly get that hot, surrounded in water ?

Got any handle on the nasties in a "spent" rod ?

 

[VG30DETT]

If they don't have the ability to pull the LMRP cap fully onto the pipe, how could they manage to force a solid rod in there?

 

[Tempest]

http://www.propublica.org/ion/blog/item/...l-in-deep-water

Government subsidies and tax breaks are what enticed the more dangerous deep water drilling.

 

[Shannow]

tempest, does a company ever in your estimation have to stand up for their own messes ?

It's always "Govt made them do it"

 

[Tempest]

As I have already said, BP is responsible for the mess they have made.

However, there is a very good chance that this would not have happened if government hadn't enticed them to drill out there.

BP and other oil companies conducting deep water drilling are simply doing what the government WANTS them to do.

 

[Shannow]

And they are performing poorly on safety because they were forced at gunpoint to take risky practices ?

In your perpetutally expanding world, they are/were always going to drill exactly where they are drilling now, and if a few subsidies at $24/BBL was sufficient to entice them out there (note, entice, not force at gunpoint), then $70/BBL will certainly be enough to keep them there.

 

[Tempest]

Quote:
(note, entice, not force at gunpoint)

Do you think they would rather be drilling on the vast prohibited lands on shore, or 40 miles out in the ocean and 5K ft down?

 

[Vizzy]

The bottom line is that BP WAS NOT PREPARED TO HANDLE AN ACCIDENT at their deep sea rig.

It doesn't matter what the government regs said....in the end BP had NO contingency plan for this accident. Period.

CLEARLY BP is at complete fault.

 

[Tempest]

Quote:
CLEARLY BP is at complete fault.

Sure.

However, if a landlord rents a property to a hazardous chemical company, and there are laws that require that owner to conduct inspections of a certain type at certain intervals...and they don't. How much liability and fault are the land owners at for any catastrophic accidents that might happen?

It's also clear that the owners of the land that BP was drilling on had NO contingency plan for this accident as well.

 

[Gary Allan]

(sigh)

 

[Trvlr500]

Originally Posted By: Shannow
tempest, does a company ever in your estimation have to stand up for their own messes ?

It's always "Govt made them do it"


In THIS case, Shannow. The government DID. We have almost unlimited oil resources right here in the USA, ON LAND and in much shallower water. The Bakken oil field in Montana and North Dakota is just ONE.

In addition to that well known fact I, as well as many others think this spill was intentionally allowed to spread so they can try to force Cap and Trade on us. The president has "dictatorial powers" to contain a mess like this and he sat around on his butt going golfing and visiting with Paul McCartney while this thing got out of hand.

They didn't have to wait for some "environmental impact study" to start building the sand berms. They didn't have to ask for permission from the Sierra Club to set that stuff on fire and Obama didn't have to give BP a pass on meeting the safety regulations for drilling which he did.

Obama is bought and paid for by BP. He's doing what they tell him. Another little known fact is that BP all but wrote the Cap and Trade Bill. They will cash in on the C02 scam just as all the oil companies will.

This is economic warfare by someone. As for who? That would be anyone's guess. I know one thing. What is this president or any other for that matter doing taking bribes from a foriegn owned company?

The more I hear about what has gone on behind the scenes the more I believe what MANY are eluding to. The spread of this mess was done intentionally.

BP will not lose a dime on this. The taxpayer will foot the entire bill because a bunch of greedy criminals want the Cap and Trade Bill. They have already upped the tax on every barrel of oil BP sells. Who pays that? We do.

I don't know about anyone else but every time we have a disaster in this country our freedom is eroded and our economy suffers. I don't believe in coincidence.

 

[Trvlr500]

Sounds like they want to defer and push Cap and Tax which would be the absolute worst outcome.

Country needs to change the drilling/lease policy so we can search for oil on land IE Alaska and shallow water.

Doing these things at 5000+ ft presents risks.

let those who dont like our dependance on oil be the first to give up their cars and disconnect from the grid.

+1

With all that has gone on in history from Stalin to Hitler to the fall of the Roman Empire I don't understand why people are so afraid to admit that this very well could have been intentional. Evil people have always been around and they are still here. You can't go "global" of there is one country stronger than the rest.

 

[Trvlr500]

Originally Posted By: Tempest
Quote:
CLEARLY BP is at complete fault.

Sure.

However, if a landlord rents a property to a hazardous chemical company, and there are laws that require that owner to conduct inspections of a certain type at certain intervals...and they don't. How much liability and fault are the land owners at for any catastrophic accidents that might happen?

It's also clear that the owners of the land that BP was drilling on had NO contingency plan for this accident as well.



There were contingency plans alright. It's just that no one used them and the equipment needed was not there. This mess is going to send a shock wave through the economy, put thousands out of work and cause environmental problems for years to come. We can thank the environmentalists for this mess. THEY are ultimately to blame.

 

[Shannow]

How do you get THAT leap of "logic" ?

If you are going to blame people other than BP, look out the window to what's in your driveway, and check if the keys to it are in your pocket.

But I'd really like to hear how it's ultimately environmentalists fault.

 

[SteveSRT8]

regardless of who to "blame", there are HUGE resources available that are not being utilized.

It's time for our government to start protecting the populace.

 

[Vizzy]

Originally Posted By: Trvlr500


This is economic warfare by someone. As for who? That would be anyone's guess. I know one thing. What is this president or any other for that matter doing taking bribes from a foriegn owned company?

The more I hear about what has gone on behind the scenes the more I believe what MANY are eluding to. The spread of this mess was done intentionally.

BP will not lose a dime on this. The taxpayer will foot the entire bill because a bunch of greedy criminals want the Cap and Trade Bill. They have already upped the tax on every barrel of oil BP sells. Who pays that? We do.

I don't know about anyone else but every time we have a disaster in this country our freedom is eroded and our economy suffers. I don't believe in coincidence.


I definitely think you are on to something, I'm of the mind that competing elite economic blocks are behind this..

Go to youtube and type in " djhivesdotcom 13 hours of conspiracy "

Some very interesting observations in this series!

 

[Trvlr500]

Originally Posted By: Shannow
How do you get THAT leap of "logic" ?

If you are going to blame people other than BP, look out the window to what's in your driveway, and check if the keys to it are in your pocket.

But I'd really like to hear how it's ultimately environmentalists fault.

It's really quite simple Shannow. Various envrionmentalist groups such as the NRDC, the Sierra Club and Greenpeace have been blocking oil and gas exploration for decades. They block the construction of nuclear power plants as well. Any time any company wants to do ANYTHING regarding energy those three terrorist organizations send a bunch of lawyers to stop it. With the help of a bunch of criminals in public office and corrupt judges to help them out.

Saudi Arabia is one of Greenpeace's biggest contributors. What once was a move to prevent the environment from damage is now pure politics and economic warfare. It isn't about the environment. It's about a political agenda. The original founder of greepeace said exactly that after he was forced from his own organization.

If it wasn't for criminal enterprises such as those I just mentioned and many more gas would be $1 a gallon. There is no peak oil and there is no oil shortage. There never has been and there won't be for some time to come.

If it wasn't for these various terrorist organizations like Greenpeace BP wouldn't be out in 5000 ft of water looking for something that is in abundant supply right here on land.

BP IS responsible for THIS mess but eco-terrorist groups are to blame for them being out there in the first place which is ultimately the root cause of the whole problem. I can gurantee you that eco-terrorists world wide are throwing a party over this becaue now they think the have an excuse to collect big money on Cap and Trade and stop oil exploration at sea altogether.

As for me driving a car that has nothing to do with this mess. Drilling in a mile of water does and sending a company out there to do it because they are prohibited from drilling on land is assinine. The president sitting around on his butt letting it spread for 8 or 10 days was at least dereliction of duty and most probably intentional since this particular president has a dislike for the United States in general along with a Cap and Tax agenda.

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted By: Trvlr500
I can gurantee you that eco-terrorists world wide are throwing a party over this


You know these people ?

You can guarantee that they are partying ?

Show me one ...


Originally Posted By: Trvlr500
becaue now they think the have an excuse to collect big money on Cap and Trade and stop oil exploration at sea altogether.


And those are linked ?

How ?

Originally Posted By: Trvlr500
As for me driving a car that has nothing to do with this mess. Drilling in a mile of water does and sending a company out there to do it because they are prohibited from drilling on land is assinine. The president sitting around on his butt letting it spread for 8 or 10 days was at least dereliction of duty and most probably intentional since this particular president has a dislike for the United States in general along with a Cap and Tax agenda.


How is your car nothing to do with it ?

You are blaming everyone else for them drilling in 5000 feet of water.

If it wasn't feeding your car and lifestyle (and collectively mine and everyone else' then they wouldn't be there either).

If you've got to blame everyone else, at least step up to the plate yourself.