Oil spill in the Gulf

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Originally Posted By: Bluestream
Originally Posted By: LTVibe
Originally Posted By: MegaCorp
Always trying to make the oil compamies look like bad guys.


BP doesn't need any help in that regard. They have been very good at making themselves look like 'bad guys' :


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BP has had its share of recent high-profile accidents:

An explosion at a BP refinery in Texas City in 2005 killed 15 people and injured 170. Regulators in October hit BP with a record $87 million fine for failing to correct safety hazards at the plant. BP has formally contested the fine.

More than 200,000 gallons of oil spilled from a BP pipeline in Alaska in March 2006, the largest-ever spill on Alaska's oil-rich North Slope. BP paid about $20 million in fines, including $4 million to the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation for Arctic environmental research.

— Last year, BP paid nearly $2 million in fines for not operating with the proper equipment at oil fields along the North Slope.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36867370/ns/business-us_business/





BP does not own this rig; they subcontracted the work to a drilling company. Anadarko Petroleum own 25% of the well. All the oil companies are pretty much the same. Try to act green on the surface with their TV ads and pollute when they don't get caught.


To BP's credit, they have taken responsibility for the costs and the clean-up, whenever they stop the leakage.

It's interesting to note that another company of questionable reputation, Haliburton, is now linked to the disaster:

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But shares of oil-service companies continued to slide. Among those being hit are Transocean Ltd., owner and operator of the rig that sank, and Haliburton Co., which was doing cementing work on the well.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704093204575216341707748822.html?mod=wsj_india_main
 
Originally Posted By: LTVibe
It's interesting to note that another company of questionable reputation, Haliburton, is now linked to the disaster:

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But shares of oil-service companies continued to slide. Among those being hit are Transocean Ltd., owner and operator of the rig that sank, and Haliburton Co., which was doing cementing work on the well.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704093204575216341707748822.html?mod=wsj_india_main



Other sources are reporting Haliburton workers caused the disaster:

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...claim it was caused when workers for oil services contractor Halliburton Inc. improperly capped the well — a process known as cementing.

http://www.neworleans.com/index.php?opti...amp;Itemid=2603
 
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Originally Posted By: Scdevon
Originally Posted By: MegaCorp
The spill is small and overblown by all the do-gooders with their Solar and Wind-power agenda. Always trying to make the oil compamies look like bad guys. BP said only 1000 barrels per day. Oil exec said no point in cleaning it up as it's too expensive; the oil will evaporate over the next few years on its own.


Are you joking? Is this an acceptable corporate response as far as you're concerned?


I agree, and what a difference a couple of days can make. This spill is going to be devistating to that area. Seems big oil always down plays it, and successfully gets away with it. Any costs are always passed along to the end user, just keep an eye on the gas pumps. Give BP a little time their stock will recover, just as Exxon did.
 
Competitors working together...

ExxonMobil Sends Equipment, Experts To Help In Gulf Spill

Statement By ExxonMobil Regarding The BP-Deepwater Horizon Incident

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BP and ExxonMobil - Brothers in Crime?

Confiscate BP assets in the US and sell them to Chevron and ConocoPhillips.

Confiscate Haliburton and sell it to relieve some of the national debt incurred for their profit.

Oh well, is there anything we the peons can do about this tragedy other than lament it?
 
Originally Posted By: Win
Originally Posted By: MarkC
I hope BP doesn't get to slide as much as Exxon did, but it's pretty hard to unring a bell, no matter how much they get fined. In fact, screw any fines, just clean up the mess and try to prevent future ones.


Do we know if BP was actually at fault, or if it was just an accident?


You own it, you hire someone to do it, your fault. Therefore you should buy insurance for it.

Originally Posted By: LTVibe
Competitors working together...



Oil spill is an unavoidable part of this whole oil drilling and transportation business. The more they work together the less they face regulation, fines, increase in insurance premium, and future resistance in projects. It's like you saw your neighbor's house on fire. If you don't help putting it out, it might burn your house too.
 
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It's good (IMO) that Exxon is helping out.

Would be silly (and expensive) for each company to have a full set of contingency gear each, sitting unused for the most part.

Power industry shares out spares to competitors a lot to get them out of a bind for the greater good. Silly leaving a competitor to swing when you can help them in a bind.
 
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Oil spill is an unavoidable part of this whole oil drilling and transportation business. The more they work together the less they face regulation, fines, increase in insurance premium, and future resistance in projects. It's like you saw your neighbor's house on fire. If you don't help putting it out, it might burn your house too.


BP also requested help from Shell, Chevron and Anadarko. So far only ExxonMobil has stepped up to help.

I guess some neighbors are not very concerned if another neighbors house is burning or not.
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BP Seeks Help From Other Oil Companies
 
Perhaps ExxonMobil is best equipped to help, since they had the big Valdez intoxication spill.

No oil company's house is burning. It is only liability to them, if they can't deny responsibility.

I am sure BP will pay ExxonMobil for their help.
 
Originally Posted By: BearZDefect
I am sure BP will pay ExxonMobil for their help.

I'm pretty sure they will too, and top dollar. Truth is in the end we'll be paying at the pump, the fish market, the economy of that entire region, the environment, and a few other places too. Rest assured the CEO's of big oil will sleep well at night.
 
Originally Posted By: Shannow

Try defending an industrial incident with "it was just an accident, not my fault".



OK.

In my state, we do not have absolute (used to be called strict) liability except for the very rare activities that are deemed to be so ultrahazardous that public policy directs that anyone carrying out these activities is liable for any harm proximately caused thereby, regardless of lack of fault.

In my state, oil and gas production is not an ultrahazardous activity. I have a natural gas head about a hundred yards from my primary residence.
 
It's the regardless of lack of fault that's the kicker.

If your plant or safety systems fail, in a manner that could be reasonably forseen, that's at fault and you are responsible.

Whether it's a 16 year olf roof tiler falling off a roof, or a 2600psi, 1000F steam mains failing, there's a systems failure that lead to the incident.
 
Regarding strict liability, and an example like your gas head.

Fireworks factory relocated up here, about 15 miles out of town. One night it blew up. Pressure pulse rocked my place, and workmates who live less than a couple hundred metres away lost brick walls, roofs levitated and translated a couple of inches.

Inquiry found that the operator had complied with all legislation, all codes of practice and industry good practice. Had systems and documentation etc. etc.

No charges laid (codes of practice are being rewritten).

They still had to repair the damage to their neighbour's houses, but no fines, charges, etc.
 
I think we have some laws or exemptions to that Shannow. Not in something like a catastrophic "accident" ..but more like in a state where one can have mineral rights to land that is otherwise owned. I think if you run your strip mine ..the fall out from that (run off, erosion, water table, etc.) may not have any recourse by the other title holder. Not all states have mineral and water rights separate from land rights.
 
Pretty much normal in the industry for fire and other disasters .
After all their in house crews are better trained than the outside outfits .
 
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