Friend has an 02 Accord that he drives 25,000 miles a year commuting to work, which is about 50 miles one way. He generally drives 90 mph. So I was thinking he should use Redline to give the ultimate protection. Also he would not be doing any UOAs, so need an oil that can go about 13,000 miles with ease. I would think either Redline or Amsoil would do it for both the OCI and the protection. Wix filters should suffice. Car has 140,000 miles on it and he has run synthetic for the past year, probably Synpower 5w30 and 10w30.
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90 MPH??!? If he is not in Montana, he should not be driving, or should be heftily contributing to the revenue of the states in which he drives. Forget the waste, the safety implications are enormous.
That said, I'd think that Amsoil 0w-20 would be a no brainer, particularly after doing a sample check at, say, 12500. Assuming that it is a 20wt-spec engine, that is. Otherwise, Id say SSO 0w-30, as a solid, long-drain oil. Id venture to guess, but would have to confirm with UOA, that mostly highway, even at 90 MPH, is relatively easy driving, and that the honda engine doesnt wallop too hard on the oil anyway. It isnt necessarily an application where an A3 or super robust oil is specced, and given that he has gotten 140k on whatever oil he might have had, a step up to a stable, long-duration oil should be all that is necessary, IMO.
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That said, I'd think that Amsoil 0w-20 would be a no brainer, particularly after doing a sample check at, say, 12500. Assuming that it is a 20wt-spec engine, that is. Otherwise, Id say SSO 0w-30, as a solid, long-drain oil. Id venture to guess, but would have to confirm with UOA, that mostly highway, even at 90 MPH, is relatively easy driving, and that the honda engine doesnt wallop too hard on the oil anyway. It isnt necessarily an application where an A3 or super robust oil is specced, and given that he has gotten 140k on whatever oil he might have had, a step up to a stable, long-duration oil should be all that is necessary, IMO.
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Cheap and good - Pennzoil Platinum 5w30
Not Cheap and better - Amsoil ASL 5w30
13K interval I'd go with the Amsoil over the Pennzoil. Amsoil has proven it self well.
Use a good quality filter thoe (Amsoil Ea0 or similar) definately not honda / fram [censored].
Not Cheap and better - Amsoil ASL 5w30
13K interval I'd go with the Amsoil over the Pennzoil. Amsoil has proven it self well.
Use a good quality filter thoe (Amsoil Ea0 or similar) definately not honda / fram [censored].
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
90 MPH??!? If he is not in Montana, he should not be driving, or should be heftily contributing to the revenue of the states in which he drives. Forget the waste, the safety implications are enormous.
On the highway he is driving, likely he would be a road hazard if he went any slower.
90 MPH??!? If he is not in Montana, he should not be driving, or should be heftily contributing to the revenue of the states in which he drives. Forget the waste, the safety implications are enormous.
On the highway he is driving, likely he would be a road hazard if he went any slower.
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What's he doing now? I mean for mileage with Synpower?
Since he's obviously not going for ultimate fuel economy, I'd say ASO or HDD.
Since he's obviously not going for ultimate fuel economy, I'd say ASO or HDD.
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Cheap and good - Pennzoil Platinum 5w30
Not Cheap and better - Amsoil ASL 5w30
13K interval I'd go with the Amsoil over the Pennzoil. Amsoil has proven it self well.
Use a good quality filter thoe (Amsoil Ea0 or similar) definately not honda / fram [censored].
I second that.
Cheap and good - Pennzoil Platinum 5w30
Not Cheap and better - Amsoil ASL 5w30
13K interval I'd go with the Amsoil over the Pennzoil. Amsoil has proven it self well.
Use a good quality filter thoe (Amsoil Ea0 or similar) definately not honda / fram [censored].
I second that.
Amsoil ASL 5w30 or SSO 0w30 once every 6 months.
Amsoil HDD, ACD or SSO. Do a dipstick UOA at 13k (just once for proof of concept) and then go on to 20k unless the UOA says otherwise.
But I would also be tempted to start with Amsoil 0w20 for the same 20k - a fraction of mpg could go a long ways with these miles.
But I would also be tempted to start with Amsoil 0w20 for the same 20k - a fraction of mpg could go a long ways with these miles.
btw - if the engine is running clean - and if they're going to OCI at six months, then a good conventional will most likely be fine (once again - UOA for proof).
High percent hiway miles are a unique situation. During the 1990's I had a 40 mile commute - myself and my co-workers mostly lived in Little Rock and made this commute to a FDA research facility in Jefferson AR. We were all doing around 25k per year. We shared oil stories one day - all of them were doing outrageous OCIs on conv. oil. The shortest OCI I remember among the group was six months (~12k miles). Some were close to a year. Each one of these people had japanese cars (all Honda & Toyotas) - all were passing thru or had passed thru 200k miles - all the cars were still running like tops. (And non of this was on TODAYs conventionals.)
I also remember reading about a fleet operator who ran gas pickups that were almost all long trip hiway - they used conv. and changed at 32k. (I'm just telling you what I read - it really said that.)
Let's all put these anecdotes in our BITOG pipes and smoke them.
High percent hiway miles are a unique situation. During the 1990's I had a 40 mile commute - myself and my co-workers mostly lived in Little Rock and made this commute to a FDA research facility in Jefferson AR. We were all doing around 25k per year. We shared oil stories one day - all of them were doing outrageous OCIs on conv. oil. The shortest OCI I remember among the group was six months (~12k miles). Some were close to a year. Each one of these people had japanese cars (all Honda & Toyotas) - all were passing thru or had passed thru 200k miles - all the cars were still running like tops. (And non of this was on TODAYs conventionals.)
I also remember reading about a fleet operator who ran gas pickups that were almost all long trip hiway - they used conv. and changed at 32k. (I'm just telling you what I read - it really said that.)
Let's all put these anecdotes in our BITOG pipes and smoke them.
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What's he doing now? I mean for mileage with Synpower?
Since he's obviously not going for ultimate fuel economy, I'd say ASO or HDD.
He is going about 3 - 4 OCIs per year on Synpower.
I think Redline 5w20 would be an ideal choice as it would give better economy yet stand up to abuse. Given all or about 95% HWY miles, probably could go one year (25,000 miles) on the Redline or for that matter the Amsoil, thought I would only go 5w20 with the Redline as then still have HTHS of a 30 weight (sorry AEhass, but this is gearhead talk--"30 weight"--I would have to be a geek with a pen holder in pocket before I call it "30 grade," not to mention nobody would know WTH I am talking about.)
What's he doing now? I mean for mileage with Synpower?
Since he's obviously not going for ultimate fuel economy, I'd say ASO or HDD.
He is going about 3 - 4 OCIs per year on Synpower.
I think Redline 5w20 would be an ideal choice as it would give better economy yet stand up to abuse. Given all or about 95% HWY miles, probably could go one year (25,000 miles) on the Redline or for that matter the Amsoil, thought I would only go 5w20 with the Redline as then still have HTHS of a 30 weight (sorry AEhass, but this is gearhead talk--"30 weight"--I would have to be a geek with a pen holder in pocket before I call it "30 grade," not to mention nobody would know WTH I am talking about.)
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Then it's a toss up. With a year for an OCI neither cost or availability are too much of a factor. I tend to think any filter will work for this type of use. The main difference being the level of filtration (which is why I'd go with an EAO) The service is just too skewed to the least combustion byproduct production it's not funny (well, maybe it is funny = fat chance= slim chance type thing). That's assuming that there's no fuel issue and whatnot. A UOA would be nice to see under this service with any oil.
Well, he can get Amsoil for $8 a bottle (PAO, I think called AMT?) at Murrays. Don't know if Murrays sells the Amsoil filters though. Maybe a Mobil1 filter would do?
Not sure he wants to mail order, but maybe prices are better mail order. You are welcome to PM me some prelim pricing info to relay to him. I'd recommend he work with you anyway. I would think PAO is the only way to go though, so long as will not create leakage (presume balanced with seal conditioner).
I'll link him to this thread tomorrow.
Not sure he wants to mail order, but maybe prices are better mail order. You are welcome to PM me some prelim pricing info to relay to him. I'd recommend he work with you anyway. I would think PAO is the only way to go though, so long as will not create leakage (presume balanced with seal conditioner).
I'll link him to this thread tomorrow.
Amsoil SSO 0w30 with EaO filter. Change once a year with UOA to back it up.
Well I blew it. Forgot to ask the one other critical piece of information. What is consumption? He says one quart every 3000 miles. That tends to work against the high end oils.
Also, at 90 mph he is not the fastest vehicle on the road. Those folks are really moving along.
At 90 mph it's turning a little over 3000 rpm, which is not going to be excessively hard on the oil.
Looks like the garden variety synthetic is probably his best bet given the consumption level. No?
Also, at 90 mph he is not the fastest vehicle on the road. Those folks are really moving along.
At 90 mph it's turning a little over 3000 rpm, which is not going to be excessively hard on the oil.
Looks like the garden variety synthetic is probably his best bet given the consumption level. No?
And what is wrong in sticking with the Vavoline? It is good synthetic oil.
I might use Motorcraft 5W-20 in this situation. It is relatively inexpensive, and there would be no worries as he keeps adding oil.
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Nothing wrong with sticking to Valvoline. I just was looking for something to go longer OCIs.
Motorcraft oil would be fine, but given the consumption, he might as well just use any SM oil that is on sale and not worry much about brand.
Motorcraft oil would be fine, but given the consumption, he might as well just use any SM oil that is on sale and not worry much about brand.
I'd go with a HM 10w30 (MaxLife, Castrol, Pennzoil, etc.) and change it out every 7500 miles or so...
Originally Posted By: TallPaul
He says one quart every 3000 miles.
So in about 12K assuming 1qt per 3k he will do nearly 100% oil change. Amsoil and RL will be waste of money. Tell him go to Kragen and pick up few cases of Synpower at 0.99 cents after rebate then drain/refill every 12k.
He says one quart every 3000 miles.
So in about 12K assuming 1qt per 3k he will do nearly 100% oil change. Amsoil and RL will be waste of money. Tell him go to Kragen and pick up few cases of Synpower at 0.99 cents after rebate then drain/refill every 12k.
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