Oil for new CanAm Spyder ?

[Baveux]

Now I need help. I bought a new Canam Spyder RT 2023. I am trying to find something better at a better price than wHat canam sell at a crazy price .
Its basically impossible to find any substential data for their recommended XPS 5w40

According to what they say in the repair manual, if the XPS isnt available then we can use 4 stroke 5w40 as long as the API SN mention is on the bottle or with the jaso MA2 ... its one or the other ... or both

The owner manual are not mentioning JASO at all in both canadian official language. I think I am going to buy their overpriced oil just for an expensive and ridiculous peace of mind ...

But since there is always a but the Australian manual shows Jaso required !!! :
AUSTRALIA

CANADA USA

 

[Ride_Red]

Looks like a 40 weight motorcycle oil.
I would probably use Mobil1 Racing 4T 10W-40. It is a motorcycle oil with the proper certifications. 5W vs 10W doesn't really matter much if you are not riding in cold weather.

 

[EvoMan]

How about Rotella T6 5W-40? It shows JASO MA/MA2.

https://rotella.shell.com/en_us/pro...87ba51ea73920ac535f0c62343d6043f/t6-5w-40.pdf


Also Castrol Power1 5W-40 is API SN & JASO MA-2

https://www.castrol.com/en_us/unite...ds/two-wheelers/castrol-power1.html#tab_5w-40

 

[Ride_Red]

How about Rotella T6 5W-40? It shows JASO MA/MA2.

https://rotella.shell.com/en_us/pro...87ba51ea73920ac535f0c62343d6043f/t6-5w-40.pdf

I'm not a Rotella fan. I tried T6 5W-40 in my Honda ST1300. Drained it out after 1500 miles due to really clunky/notchy shifting. Switched back to Mobil1 (now Valvoline) and no problems after over 6000 miles on the oil.

Some people really like using other flavors of Rotella in motorcycles, but the general consensus of T6 5W-40 is that it shears quickly.

 

[Baveux]

I saw this suggestion before but I also read that CK4 is for diesel only and if you want to use diesel oil its must bear SN also ... so like Ck4/SN and Rotella isn't mentioning suitable for gas engine ...

 

[troop]

5w40 API SN/JASO MA MA2 oils could include Castrol R 5w40 (Amazon) or Rotella T6 5w40 (Walmart). Both are known to shear quickly in shared sump bikes, and yes, your SE6 transmission is shared. Stick with a quality 10w40 oil. As stated above, I use M1 4T 10w40 or Amsoil 10w40 metric. Both will be cheaper than the BRP 5w40 partial syn oil. That oil is both a stupid cost and likely very low in synthetic content. Buy your oil filter/o-ring kit from Baja Ron for $15/mailed.

 

[dnewton3]

I actually preferred the T4 15w-40 "conventional" Rotella for these MC applications.
It did quite well in my 2012 Victory 106/6. Never had a problem with the clutch, and it held up fine for 5k mile OCIs.
Given the OPs likely temp swings, I'd think the 5w-40 would do better.

 

[thastinger]

If you don't like Rotella, you can use M1 4T.

 

[brandon9715]

If it were me, I would be running the Amsoil "Metric Motorcycle" 5w40. That oil meets both SN and JASO MA2. In addition, the oil does not shear like Rotella T6 does, so the shift quality is improved in my experience.

 

[kballowe]

If you're riding that Spyder around in freezing temperatures, then you might want that 5W-40. Otherwise, there are a lot of 10W-40 motorcycle oils out there that will give you excellent service. There are a lot of opinions on brands. Personally, I would pick a semi or full synthetic with the JASO MA or MA2 rating, as the owner's manual suggests - and go ride that thing !

The JASO MA rating is the wet clutch friction test for motorcycle wet clutches, which includes your Spyder. You want this.

I live in the Mid-Western USA, and conventional 15W-40 Rotella has served me well for more than 50 years in all of the more than 100 motorcycles, the lawnmowers, tractors and other power equipment that I have owned. This is MY choice. There are many other choices and opinions that are just as valid.

Pick something that makes you sleep well at night.

 

[slug_bug]

The Shell web site for Rotella T6 sure seems to target motorcycle owners, as many of the reviews they chose to publish are motorcycle owner based. https://rotella.shell.com/en_us/products/full-synthetic-oil/t6-full-synthetic.html

 

[JavierH19]

I think I'd just use any motorcycle 10w-40 or 20w-50 full syn or not. Could also use rotella t4 15w-40. "but canada winters" who's riding a motorcycle in the cold and especially in the snow.

 

[Baveux]

The Shell web site for Rotella T6 sure seems to target motorcycle owners, as many of the reviews they chose to publish are motorcycle owner based. https://rotella.shell.com/en_us/products/full-synthetic-oil/t6-full-synthetic.html

The API SN is missing and that bugs me a bit since Im on warranty ... for now the amsoil metric will be my choice , its crazy expensive here in canada, I wont save a lot from the CanAm oil but Ill have a better oil ...

 

[Baveux]

I think I'd just use any motorcycle 10w-40 or 20w-50 full syn or not. Could also use rotella t4 15w-40. "but canada winters" who's riding a motorcycle in the cold and especially in the snow.

When there is snow here im in Texas, Mc Allen area lol ... the snow

 

[thastinger]

When there is snow here im in Texas, Mc Allen area lol ... the snow

Really any oil that has a moly content below 100 ppm would work fine. I thought those were CVT driven but if they spec JASCO I have to assume it is a wet clutch.

 

[BusyLittleShop]

The current and obsolete API Service Categories are listed below...
Manufactures advise customers to either meet or exceed a certain API
service category... To meet the category CanAm starts with SJ
introduced 1996... to exceed the SJ category choose any of the newer
categories including SP introduced in 2015... Its no surprise
Motorcycles are in the minority and consequently none of the API
service categories are Motorcycle Specific... So we pick and choose
among the majority Auto service categories that best suits our
needs... Technically speaking any service categories will meet and
exceed our mileage expectations and thus no need to worry...

SA Obsolete For older engines; no performance requirement.

SB Obsolete For older engines.

SC Obsolete For model year 1967 and older engines.

SE Obsolete For model year 1979 and older engines.

SF Obsolete For model year 1988 and older engines.

SG - Obsolete Introduced 1989 has much more active dispersant to
combat black sludge.

SH - Obsolete Introduced 1993 has same engine tests as SG, but includes
phosphorus limit 0.12%, together with control of foam, volatility and
shear stability.

SJ - Introduced 1996 has the same engine tests as SG/SH, but
phosphorus limit 0.10% together with variation on volatility limits

SL - Introduced 2001, all new engine tests reflective of modern engine
designs meeting current emissions standards

SM - Introduced November 2004, improved oxidation resistance, deposit
protection and wear protection, also better low temperature
performance over the life of the oil compared to previous categories.

SN - Introduced in October 2010 for 2011 and older vehicles, designed to
provide improved high temperature deposit protection for pistons, more
stringent sludge control, and seal compatibility. API SN with Resource
Conserving matches ILSAC GF-5 by combining API SN performance with
improved fuel economy, turbocharger protection, emission control
system compatibility, and protection of engines operating on
ethanol-containing fuels up to E85.

SP - API SP is the new minimum engine oil standard developed to address
the critical needs of today's engines; including cam chain wear, Low Speed
Pre-Ignition, and deposit formation. API SP is the foundation for the
ILSAC GF-6 specification but does not include fuel economy. API SP is
available for different viscosity grades.Feb 19, 2020

 

[alarmguy]

The API SN is missing and that bugs me a bit since Im on warranty ... for now the amsoil metric will be my choice , its crazy expensive here in canada, I wont save a lot from the CanAm oil but Ill have a better oil ...

You have a motorcycle that requires Jaso rating, why are you looking for an oil with an automobile SN rating?
The Shell meets the Jaso spec as posted by @slug_bug

 

[Baveux]

You have a motorcycle that requires Jaso rating, why are you looking for an oil with an automobile SN rating?
The Shell meets the Jaso spec as posted by @slug_bug

You haven't read my opening post dont you ?
The very reason why is shown 4 times

In regards of the Rotella t6 I will have to look at it a little more since I have some conflictual information here in front of me, one spec mentioned SM Jaso ma2 that would be great the other data sheet doesn't mention Jaso or SM at all ...

 

[alarmguy]

You haven't read my opening post dont you ?
The very reason why is shown 4 times

In regards of the Rotella t6 I will have to look at it a little more since I have some conflictual information here in front of me, one spec mentioned SM Jaso ma2 that would be great the other data sheet doesn't mention Jaso or SM at all ...

Oops!
OK, I see the dilemma

 

[repairman54]

Valvoline FS 10-40w motorcycle oil in my '15 F3S SE with no issues. 25k miles on it.