Oil for 40-year-old UJM?

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Are there any MA2 oils, 10W-40 (or close), that have ZDDP levels in the 1200+ range?

Bike is a KZ1100A (shaft drive) with high compression pistons, coming off a fresh rebuild.

It used to be that Rotella served this crowd nicely, but the new formulas have much lower ZDDP now, and people complain about shearing out of grade, and poor shift performance after a couple thousand miles.

Price is not primary driver, but it never hurts.
 
Are there any MA2 oils, 10W-40 (or close), that have ZDDP levels in the 1200+ range?

Bike is a KZ1100A (shaft drive) with high compression pistons, coming off a fresh rebuild.

It used to be that Rotella served this crowd nicely, but the new formulas have much lower ZDDP now, and people complain about shearing out of grade, and poor shift performance after a couple thousand miles.

Price is not primary driver, but it never hurts.
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You could give HPL in Manteno, IL a call and ask them about their 10W40 MC oil.
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new formulas have much lower ZDDP now,

Understanding how Zinc ZDDP works...

Zinc is not even a lubricant until heat and load are applied. Zinc is
only used when there is actual metal to metal contact in the engine.
At that point zinc must react with the heat and load to create the
sacrificial film that allows it to protect flat-tappet camshafts and
other highly loaded engine parts.

Zinc is used/sacrificed in very small quantities at time, so the total
amount present in your oil does not change how much wear protection
the oil provides, as long as you don’t run out of zinc. “Lab Testing”
and “Wear Testing” analysis proves/confirms that more zinc provides
LONGER wear protection, NOT MORE wear protection.

1. Well known and respected Engineer and Tech Author David Vizard,
whose own test data, largely based on real world engine dyno testing,
has concluded that more zinc in motor oil can be damaging, more zinc
does NOT provide todays best wear protection, and that using zinc as
the primary anti-wear component, is outdated technology.

2. The GM Oil Report titled, Oil Myths from GM Techlink, concluded
that high levels of zinc are damaging and that more zinc does NOT
provide more wear protection.

3. A motor oil research article written by Ed Hackett titled, More
than you ever wanted to know about Motor Oil, concluded that more
zinc does NOT provide more wear protection, it only provides longer
wear protection.

4. This from the Brad Penn Oil Company: There is such a thing as too
much ZDDP. ZDDP is surface aggressive, and too much can be a
detriment. ZDDP fights for the surface, blocking other additive
performance. Acids generated due to excessive ZDDP contact will
tie-up detergents thus encouraging corrosive wear. ZDDP
effectiveness plateaus, more does NOT translate into more protection.
Only so much is utilized. We dont need to saturate our oil with ZDDP.

Objectively speaking...
Zinc DOES NOT build up on parts like some sort of plating process.
Zinc simply DOES NOT work that way. Zinc that is present in the oil,
is activated by heat and pressure, which is precisely what the oil is
subjected to during extreme operating conditions...
 
I'm not looking for sky high ZDDP levels, but I think a 10W-40 at 1200 would be really okay for an old air cooled UJM.

And FYI, Redline Powersports Motor Oil has 2260 Zinc and 2030 Phosphorus.
 
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I'm not looking for sky high ZDDP levels, but I think a 10W-40 at 1200 would be really okay for an old air cooled UJM.

And FYI, Redline Powersports Motor Oil has 2260 Zinc and 2030 Phosphorus.

Thanks for the Redline numbers... current Kawasaki oil only recommends 976 Phosphorus and 1096 Zinc...
 
Since 2007 I have been using Rotella White Bottle 15W-40 in my 1978 GS1000.

Lots of us bikers use that stuff. Shell says it meets MA2 requirements, although it's not certified, but that's the assurance a lot of motorcycle guys like before they will use it. From 2007 to now, the ZDDP has been reduced by 1/3 or 1/2.
 
Thanks for the Redline numbers... current Kawasaki oil only recommends 976 Phosphorus and 1096 Zinc...
Can you share where you found Kawasaki recommends those specific numbers? Synthetic or conventional? If it's recommended, is it a negative if someone chooses more of those additives? I absolutely disagree that higher concentration doesn't provide more protection. If there are only a thousand parts per million to be spread around in given an amount of oil, it does not provide the same area of protection an oil with 1500 parts per million would provide.
 
Don't forget in the old days of leaded fuel, you need extra ZDDP to counteract the lead scavengers added to old school leaded fuel. If you are running unleaded fuel you can probably get away with a little less ZDDP than the old days for the same level of wear protection. So a modern motorcycle oil with 1000 - 1100 ppm should be fine.

https://www.duckhams.com/zddp-what-does-it-all-mean/
 
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