edyvw
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When I saw Triax's name being mentioned, I was: "Not again, those scammers."
Oil for 2022 Gladiator with 3rd Gen 3.0L EcoDiesel
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edyvw
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We have been through this debate in another forum. So, they still claim the same thing, that their oil fits pretty much any engine.
They do have API licensed products & they did revamp their website within the last year but you've already made up your mind.
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Are they actually listed on a vehicle manufacturer’s list of approved oils? On the dexos approved license list? Any source outside of their bottles and internal literature? That’s what overkill and edyvw are referring to. Their wording claims “meets or exceeds”, not “is certified”. That’s a huge loophole, and not one for the customer’s benefit.
As Overkill referenced, M1 FS 0w40 is certified to some of the most stringent approvals on the market, and is actually confirmed on those vehicle manufacturers’ websites as being legit, is available at any WM, and is certainly capable of handling any engine that needs a 40 grade oil with recommendations for the specs that it actually satisfies.
Why chance it with some company who’s not on the up-and-up, and claims certifications that cannot coexist in the same oil due to differences like HTHS and SA requirements??
edyvw
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Did you actually see their current packaging that was posted here?
edyvw
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Triax is Robitussin of oils. Don’t be like that
Why on earth would you come here and ask for an oil then go buy the oil everyone tells you not to use? If you’re here to find what’s best then stick with the specs on the bottle. Some low rent 2nd tier company slapping “premium” on the bottle and claiming their product is best for you isn’t the way to go. Meets or exceeds is a joke because they haven’t done the appropriate testing on the appropriate engines. They can’t tell you how that oil handles the different metals used in the engines. BMW LL01/LL04 for instance is big on corrosion protection. They make that spec so specific that a lot of top shelf lubricants lost their certifications after an update to it. You’re trying to tell me that hobo oil had done the testing and modifications to say they now exceed that spec? Stay away from that junk. What’d you save? $3 vs Quaker state?
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Read the data sheet I posted above…mid-SAPS.
It is not possible to meet the requirements of both LL04 and LL01 at the same time. That should be the first red flag. Dig deeper and there has to be a ton more.
I've seen their API licensed products yes.
edyvw
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And there is nothing strange for you that the company claims to "meet and exceed" approvals that are contradictory to each other? Maybe you should dvel more into it, and come back then.
API is not gold standard in anything. It is bare minimum that is usually pushed by manufacturers, not API.
As for their web site, they still did not "fix" it. So, let me give them benefit of doubt:
1. Either they don't know that some approvals are mutually excluding
or:
2. They know, but hey, scams generally make quick profits.
https://www.triaxlubricants.com/triax-euro-vx-5w-30-full-synthetic
I am not sure either option is comforting to unsuspecting customer.
Actually, that is not the sequence of events. I posted a few oils for feedback and no one commented. Then I found the Triax product and took them at their word (possibly a mistake). I posted here...and then tons of feedback saying don't trust Triax. So you aren't representing what happened accurately.
I'm just putting it out here b/c I've seen some claim over the years they had no licensed products when they in fact do.
It's Gas To Liquid group III+ oil or better so no one here can claim the oil itself is bad legitimately. Like I mentioned I run their gear oil personally in my F-350 rear axle. Now their marketing may make someone question & I encourage anyone to question something they see out of wack. So, I've since sent them an email regarding this post & I'll see if they respond. There are also many boutique oils that don't pay for the approvals & say "Meets" instead of "Approved" including some of the oils you've already mentioned off the store shelves. Many oil companies don't pay for the "Approval" but rather self warranty that it "Meets" those specifications. I personally have no problem with that b/c it's done by many co's. Some here will disparage Triax's "Meets" all while their running some oil with the same verbiage.
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Seems like this thread went downhill quickly.
OP, if you're interested in UOAs for the 3rd gen EcoD, you should visit this site. There are 13+ pgs of content and discussion for your reading and consideration.
If it were me, I'd use the Triax oil in some other application instead of your $60K+ EcoD. It could turn out to be an expensive experiment that goes wrong.
OP, if you're interested in UOAs for the 3rd gen EcoD, you should visit this site. There are 13+ pgs of content and discussion for your reading and consideration.
If it were me, I'd use the Triax oil in some other application instead of your $60K+ EcoD. It could turn out to be an expensive experiment that goes wrong.
OVERKILL
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It's 1.2% SA, which is also on that sheet. That's not mid-SAPS, that's full-SAPS. M1 Formula M 5W-40 was 0.9% and M1 FS 0W-40 1.3%. Both are full-SAPS.
Mid-SAPS is where SA is 0.8% or lower:
OVERKILL
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"Better" would be PAO. Where are you getting this? Their SDS either show no CAS #'s, just noting "group III":
Or give a range of CAS #'s:
GTL is 848301-69-9, which does not appear in that list.
Hello fantastic,
We are aware of some of the things being said on that forum, most of them are half truths and misinformation. The last time we answered any issues, our customer service rep was swamped with all kinds of hearsay and baseless accusations. You see that one guy calling us scammers...I dont know why people say we have not tested the products for the specs we claim, it's absurd.
Few people have in-depth knowledge of the exact spec requirements and the system required to claim them. Also we do not have dedicated staff to monitor the forums for posts about us. We do react sometimes, when a customer like you brings up any info and we appreciate it.
Below is some info for you.
Regarding that post about BMW LL 01, the one you linked.
This is the data sheet from VALVOLINE XL-III 5W-30 Euro oil. They also recommend their 507.00 / 504.00 oil / BMW LL-04 for use in BMW LL-01. With respect to Valvoline's oil, the recommended applications are all high saps, older specs. Does that mean the new mid-saps or low saps oil will not work for them? No, it doesn't. Which is why Valvoline and Liqui Moly have them on there as do we. Some manufacturers will put those recommended specs, some will not.
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THIS IS FROM LIQUI MOLY, their 507/504 oil.
Also has BMW LL 01 and many other "Recommended" specs.
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Feel free to post these screenshots in reply to the guy making absurd claims regarding the BMW LL-01.
SPE COMPARISON BMW 04 vs BMW 01
As a spec comparison, see below. You can see that the BMW 01 and BMW 04 overlap, except the BMW 04 offers aftertreatment compatibility and much better protection vs soot thickening. So technically, the BMW 04 is superior.
As spec requirements, you can see the 01 has saps requirements that the 04 is already below the 1.6 threshold. While there are no limits on the Phosphorus, TBN and Sulfur on the BMW 01 oil, the BMW 04 has limits. So from every respect, the BMW 01 spec falls within the parameters already covered by BMW 04. HOWEVER - the OTHER way around is not possible. You cannot have a BMW 01 oil that meets BMW 04.
Pertaining to the use of tested specs.
For the Euro VX 5W-30 we use a custom modified additive package with an Infineium p6080a core. The modifications are done via custom boosters, so long as they do not affect the original core adpack spec qualifications. These boosters provide improved stability, durability and wear protection vs the "Standard" core ad-pack. Every modification was tested and approved by the original OEM certified additive manufacturer. Every booster build has to be tested for compatibility, reactivity and spec compliance. The exact booster packages or modifications to the formulation we cannot divulge, as they are proprietary. That being said, all of our products use approved / licensed / OEM certified core additive systems and thus are free to claim the specs.
You can find all the info on the core adpack for the Euro VX 5W-30 here.
https://www.infineum.com/p6080a/
In short, we do not put on the bottles or data sheets any specifications or applications that either the product is not fully tested against or that it qualifies for per tech data. Not only would that be illegal but it would be a breach of our customers' trust and that, we do not do.
I hope this makes sense, please feel free to ask any questions.
Thanks
edyvw
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Now, reread their email very carefully and language Valvoline and Liqui Moly use! Draw your own conclusions.
If it is necessary, do it several times.
Good they know, but they still choose to scam.