Oil for '00 Saab turbo (sludger)?

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You shouldnt run anything but what saab recomends for spark plugs.

NGK PFR7h-11 I think is the part number you want. The Digital Ignition Cassestte (DIC) is very picky/sensitive with spark plugs due to its anti-knock sensors.

If you check out the saab forums , people have write ups of different plugs.

saabcentral.com
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FYI:

There is a mix up in some of the aftermarket catalogs that shows the wrong part number for the air cleaner on T7 equipped 9-3 saabs for years 2000 to 2003. Fram is one of the suppliers that has it wrong. It looks like someone tried to make the wrong part fit from your picture.
You can tell if the catalog listing is correct by doing a cross check. The air filter for a 1999 9-3 (T5) is a different part number than a 2000-2003 9-3. If you see the same part number listed its the wrong part. Rock auto has several brands listed, some are correct some are wrong, so you need to cross check.
The correct NGK spark plug PFR6h-10 or PFR7h-10. The PFR7h-10 is a slightly cooler running plug. I have been using the Pfr6h-10 for 120,000 mostly highway miles with no problems. The -10 is the sprk plug gap size that is set at the factory.
You would be doing yourself a favor to drop the pan and valve cover to look for sludge since the car shows signs of neglect !
My 2001 9-3 has had very few problems, but I drive mosly highway miles and pay attention to maintenance.
 
At the suggestion of the guys at Saabcentral, I am going to try NAPA for the correct air filter, thanks for the heads-up!

I had very good luck with the NGK Iridiums in my previous two turbo cars, so I thought I'd give these a try. I will run them for a bit, and if I see any problems, I will swap them out. This car will be driven off-boost probably 90% of the time.
 
Ive used those Iridium plugs, they do work well, just found the stock pfr7h-10 worked the best. Thats what i have in there right now.

I did not see a difference from the pfr6h-10 to the pfr7h-10, but I am slightly modded and wanted a colder plug.
 
Just got back from the Saab dealer, GM 4876074, $28.00 . I will be sure to do a few UOA's and shorter OCI's right off the bat, because the chopped-up filter was so dirty I have no idea how long it may have been bypassing bad air
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FYI, the NGK recommendation is not an absolute necessity. I've run non-NGK plugs in T5 and T7 cars for years now with no issue whatsoever. No change in performance, no change in mpg, nothing. But if DrBoost says to run them, what the hay if you can get them easy. They are cheap.

Solo2, 1st lesson of saab ownership: avoid the dealer!
 
Yup, I love SparkPlugs.com , used them a lot for the Subaru and the old RX-7.

Looks like the dealer did zero servicing, other than my request for new front pads and turn the rotors...you could see through the wheels that the pads were on their backing plates, and there was a medium-speed shimmy under braking...now I think some of that is the tires.

The SaabCentral guys all say NGK coppers, but the Iridiums seem fine and smooth after 50 miles or so.


How long should I wait to do an oil change do you think....1K, 3K ?
 
You should wait untill you get the Auto-Rx. I think it would be smart to start using ARX right away.
 
If you have a fresh change of RTS in there, I would tend to agree. Wait until you can get some arx and run it for a normal interval. Then, on that drain, I would seriously take a look at either dropping the pan or using a coathanger piece to probe for sludge blocking the oil pickup screen. This is how these engines die. The deposits clog the fine mesh of the pickup and starve it for oil. I would also pull the valve cover and try to manually remove as much of any deposits that might be there as possible. Use B-12 chemtool, seafoam, kero, or something. Diesel's not that great at these deposits in my own personal experience with this engine.

Then continue the arx with a rinse phase and then maybe one more application followed by the maintenance program. In my personal experience, if the engine isn't sludged too bad (if it's sludged at all), regular 4-5k oil changes aren't going to leave anything new behind in the pan or the engine. To evaluate if arx is working, if you choose to use it, you might consider doing as I did, and take pics of under the VC as well as opened, dried filters.

You might try reading my catch-all oil sticky in the NG900/9-3 forum that I collected and posted.

http://saabcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100642


Chuck Andrews articles from Nines magazine are an excellent resource as well:

http://saabpros.com/saab/nines/
 
Originally Posted By: Solo2driver
The SaabCentral guys all say NGK coppers, but the Iridiums seem fine and smooth after 50 miles or so.


Hah, yeah, 5 years of telling everyone it doesn't matter as much as they think and most folks are still scared. I've run Bosch, Autolite, Champion, and NGK without a problem. DrBoost, the username of SAABs Trionic engine mgt system lead engineer, who graces us with his presence from time to time (when he's not worrying with his Russian diesel powerboat
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) says that the ion sensing capabilities of the plugs is reduced with the smaller surface area of the iridium and platinum tips. But as I said, I've never seen any noticeable difference in my day to day driving. Perhaps if you were going on a performance binge....
 
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Well, my wife came home today and left all 4 quarts of oil on the driveway....hole in the block (back side). Zero indication of failure, no knocking/oil pressure light, etc, just made it home form work and then died. Car had been driven less than 400 miles in our possession. Lesson learned.

Get this-- I still have the oil sample (not yet sent to Blackstone) from the previous owner's fill....care to wager on its contents? :)

Dealer in La Jolla, in light of the safety issues (tires, cracked turn signal) as well as the emissions issues (Check Engine Light, shredded air filter, low on fluids). Turns out also that the seatbelt was hanging up in the buckle, was fraying on the belt, and was cracking on the slider portion...what fun----they decided to refund the car in full and reverse the sale. I have a check of the full amount (not including costs of Saab air filter, plugs, oil, time, inspections, etc). Overall I am not pleased with the experience, but it does leave me yearning for another Saab, they are indeed great cars, we just need to be more careful when picking them out.

Thanks to all who have helped, sorry to detail the ordeal but it does happen. Things work out for a reason; now we have some cash as a safety for our big move to Houston in two weeks whereas we did not have that before. If we can hold off buying a car for my wife until after we move, it will be good to have that cash security.
 
Sorry to hear you had a bad experience Solo. Hole in the block is good ol' clogged pickup or outta spec oil pump.... It certainly sounds like this dealer was a bit questionable.

But...fear not....Houston has LOTs of low-mileage SAABs just waiting for you to buy. It's where I bought both of mine!
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Found a decent '96 Saab 900SE Turbo 5-door for a steal, needs tires and the usual fluids changed but otherwise good, with fresh top end rebuild.

Starting RTS 5w-40, M1 filter, ARX tomorrow....ordering some AMSOIL ATF....let the nightmares begin! :)
 
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