Corneileous
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So none of your local parts stores have it? My local Oreileys carries the Mopar filters for $13.99.FWIW, I get nervous buying filters off of Amazon. I worry about fraud or knockoffs.
Just my $0.02
So none of your local parts stores have it? My local Oreileys carries the Mopar filters for $13.99.FWIW, I get nervous buying filters off of Amazon. I worry about fraud or knockoffs.
Just my $0.02
Given what you're saying (repeating), it sounds like a long life filter (10,000 to 20,000 miles) has to be less efficient so it can go their stated distance before clogging with dirt.according to a Wix technical support person due to the fact that it has less filtration for longer intervals.
Sorry to repeat it but when you’re being told basically more/less filtration doesn’t matter between a regular service oil filter and an extended service filter, again, when it’s those two Wix filters I mentioned, there is so there’s a reason for re-mentioning it….lol.Given what you're saying (repeating), it sounds like a long life filter (10,000 to 20,000 miles) has to be less efficient so it can go their stated distance before clogging with dirt.
How is that the way to go?? I’ve heard a lot of “ways to go”…lol. So far, I’m kinda leaning towards the Fram Ultra XG10060 being that somewhat it and the and the XG2(the larger filter recommended size for the older 2008-2012 Hemi’s) are one of the favorites amongst the Ram Forums. And I don’t know why but that Premium Guard filter seems rather appealing as well.Ergo, you want the most efficient filter in terms of particle size. Then you can change it as early as you like.
The only way to do better (filter more and smaller-sized dirt) is to install a by-pass filtration system.
These "new" CarQuest Premium Blue and O'Reilly's equivalent appear to be the way to go.
I know that and I’m not driving myself crazy about it nor am I asking for the perfect filter. All I’m doing is gathering opinions to help me decide on what to use. So far I know what I don’t what to use.Everyone wants their purchases optimized. Don't drive yourself crazy. There is no perfect, 5,500 - 6,000 mi. spin on filter.
Cheap valve train parts, yes? Any other woes with the Hemi?the potential problems the 5.7 Hemi is known for,
Obvious you have decision paralysis here. We are not splitting the atom.Yeah but does that apply to all filters though? Wix, for example, told me their plain 57060 for my truck filters better than the XP version of that filter and the reason why was because the XP was made for longer intervals.
Yeah but is the little one, the one for the 2013 and up trucks? I guess asking the guys over on the Ram Forums is kinda useless considering they’re all about what’s truly better which, I don’t blame them but I have to follow the book due to my lifetime warranty and most of them don’t. Sure, I could just be like most people and not care being that I’ll only have to pay a single Ben Franklin for a new or rebuilt engine someday but I’d kinda like to avoid that if you can understand.Don't overthink it. The Fram Ultra is a great filter.
That’s pretty much it when it comes to anything oil change-related.Cheap valve train parts, yes? Any other woes with the Hemi?
Yep.Also, you want the best filtration for 5,500 to 6,000 miles, do you not? <<This sounds simple enough to me.
Well, I don’t know what further to say because again, some filters ability to filter depends on how long of interval chosen. Like the Wix filters I brought up.I'm not going back to reread this thread, but it seems to me having the longer life filters in one's skull in the first place qualifies as overthinking. We all do it.
Not breathing that deep into it….lol.On a humorous note:
We read that new engine air filters develop a dust cake which contributes mightily to their efficiency.
If oil filters developed an internal "particle ganache" which could do the same thing, you'd have something to obsess about.
Maybe a little. I have good reason for what little I may or may not have, though.Obvious you have decision paralysis here. We are not splitting the atom.
That's an odd-ball case, and the same situation with the Boss - low efficiency but advertised as a long OCI filter. That's why you need to look at both efficiency and the rated use mileage which is an indication of holding capacity. The longer the OCI, the more efficient a filter should be to keep the oil cleaner over that longer OCI.Yeah but does that apply to all filters though? Wix, for example, told me their plain 57060 for my truck filters better than the XP version of that filter and the reason why was because the XP was made for longer intervals.
The Premium Guard is the same as the Carquest Premium (for AAP) and MicroGard Select (for O'Reilly's). All are made by PGI (Premium Guard, Inc).And I don’t know why but that Premium Guard filter seems rather appealing as well.
Oil filters get less efficiency with debris loading. Some worse than others. The efficiency of filters like the Wix XP and Boss go down pretty good as they load up - that was shown here in the Ascent ISO 4548-12 testing thread.On a humorous note:
We read that new engine air filters develop a dust cake which contributes mightily to their efficiency.
If oil filters developed an internal "particle ganache" which could do the same thing, you'd have something to obsess about.
To clarify, the ISO 4548-12 efficiency rating is the filter's over-all efficiency from new to near fully loaded. That's how the test is ran. So a filter with a low ISO efficiency rating is going to be sloughing off captured debris as it loads up and the dP increases across the media. A filter with a high ISO efficiency rating isn't going to lose much efficiency as ti loads up. In other words, a filter like that is very good a retaining already captured debris in the media. This is why you want to use a high efficiency filter for longer OCIs to keep cleaner out flowing through the engine.Well, I don’t know what further to say because again, some filters ability to filter depends on how long of interval chosen. Like the Wix filters I brought up.
Yeah but is the little one, the one for the 2013 and up trucks? I guess asking the guys over on the Ram Forums is kinda useless considering they’re all about what’s truly better which, I don’t blame them but I have to follow the book due to my lifetime warranty and most of them don’t. Sure, I could just be like most people and not care being that I’ll only have to pay a single Ben Franklin for a new or rebuilt engine someday but I’d kinda like to avoid that if you can understand.
I’m not sure. It’s my son’s truck so I let him pick. I looked at Walmart and didn’t see the correct one.So none of your local parts stores have it? My local Oreileys carries the Mopar filters for $13.99.
Not to split hairs but my old 2008 Hemi 1500 used that larger filter as well. From whenever the Hemi came out, the 2007 was the last to have I guess the same or almost the same filter but it was an SAE thread.Just go to fram.com and fill in your specific truck, below is a link for a 2013 5.7 hemi but any 5.7 hemi from 2009 to 2025 (car/truck/jeep) all can use the same filters (the year doesn't matter, if it works in the one year it works for the others).
I use the Fram XG2 as it's the large one.
https://www.fram.com/partFinder/search/index?type=Any+Type&year=2013&make=5079&model=5482&engine=V8~5.7L~345~&car-type=car-truck
Not to split hairs but my old 2008 Hemi 1500 used that larger filter as well. From whenever the Hemi came out, the 2007 was the last to have I guess the same or almost the same filter but it was an SAE thread.
But yeah, as mentioned, I would love to use that larger filter as well as 5w30 engine oil but my lifetime warranty kinda prevents that. I guess that’s also why I have to be careful about filter selection because I guess depending on how good your oil is, the smaller filters can’t hold as much particles like the larger ones.
How would you even know if they ever did? Do you even know of anyone who's deviated away from factory recommended oil weight and specific filter and actually got their engine warranty claim pushed though on one of these trucks? I’m on ally of forums and Facebook groups and I’ve yet to see anyone ever mention their warranty claim was denied due to wrong oil weight or wrong filter. Not trying to start an argument or even act like I have a problem with what you say but that’s a pretty bold claim to say that when and if that day comes, they wouldn’t laugh in my face when they see I’ve been using other than what was recommended which, “recommended” in it’s general definition doesn’t absolutely say I can’t but at the same time, it doesn’t say I have to either- but, you should know as much as I do that it’s not about that, it’s about looking for a reason to not have to pay. It’s just like with most credit cards; they don’t have to charge a late fee for ONE day late but they do it because they can…They're not going to deny warranty due to 5w-30 or the larger Fram XG2. I have yet to read a story of any warranty across brands, being denied due to oil or filter choice (as long as it was properly maintained of course).
I’ve never really needed them until now. Well, I take that back….the warranty I had on an old Dakota way back in the day paid off a good portion when we had to have the whole rear axle rebuilt after taking the truck up in the mountains on a Jeep trail where it had no business being…lol.But that aside, I guess this just reinforces my opinion of warranties. I never purchase them, because statistically they make money off them. That means more often than not, the owner loses and the warranty company wins.
I guess it’s just all in how you want to look at it. I could just run the ultimate junk it came with from the factory and make my reservation at the shop now but although I’m not running the best, I’m not running junk. Wouldn’t you agree? At least a little bit?I also don't see the point in running worse oil/filters just due to the warranty; in theory, if you don't run the "better" oil and filters you ironically put yourself in the situation where you are more likely to need the warranty. (Not trying to start a thin/thick debate, just saying if you personally believe one oil is better and don't run it due to warranty, then why have the warranty?)