Oil & Engine loudness
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Thicker is quieter IMO.
PP is quieter than M1 in my Frontier (5w30 flavor), especially towards the end of the OCI. (IMO because of M1 5W30's tendency to shear to a 20w.)
PP is quieter than M1 in my Frontier (5w30 flavor), especially towards the end of the OCI. (IMO because of M1 5W30's tendency to shear to a 20w.)
Originally Posted By: donz26
PP is quieter than M1 in my Frontier (5w30 flavor), especially towards the end of the OCI. (IMO because of M1 5W30's tendency to shear to a 20w.)
I agree that PP is quieter, but I don't think it's because M1 5w30 shears more. PP & M1 5w30 shear rates are pretty much identical.
There is simply more to it than kinematic viscosity.
PP is quieter than M1 in my Frontier (5w30 flavor), especially towards the end of the OCI. (IMO because of M1 5W30's tendency to shear to a 20w.)
I agree that PP is quieter, but I don't think it's because M1 5w30 shears more. PP & M1 5w30 shear rates are pretty much identical.
There is simply more to it than kinematic viscosity.
Originally Posted By: modularv8
Anyone have experience with Valvoline Synpower in terms of more or less noise?
After running a couple rounds of Mobil 1 5W30, I switched to Synpower 10W30 which turned out to be much quieter. When running M1, my engine sounded like a diesel in comparison (Hyundai 3.3L CVVT).
Anyone have experience with Valvoline Synpower in terms of more or less noise?
After running a couple rounds of Mobil 1 5W30, I switched to Synpower 10W30 which turned out to be much quieter. When running M1, my engine sounded like a diesel in comparison (Hyundai 3.3L CVVT).
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First, mins you, none of the oils below of for only 1 vehicle. I maintain 4 vehicles at my home. My 09 MS3 GT, wifes 01 GMC Jimmy, my daughter's 10 Cobalt and future son in laws 10 Focus S. This along with our 8-5pm nurse and sometimes my father in laws truck and TDI. Also my best friends 00 Mustang GT and an 06 Blazer (yes, I do all of these believe it or not!).
Anyhow, I've used, tested and drive... Mobil 1 10w30 HM, Mobil 1 15w50 Racing, Mobil 1 AFE 0w30, Mobil 1 5w20, Valvoline SynPower 5/10w30, Pennzoil Platinum 5/10w30, Pennzoil Ultra 5w30, Rotella T6 5w40, Red Line 10w40, Castrol GTX 5w30, GC Syntec 0w30, Royal Purple 0w40, Castrol Edge 5/10w30.
Of all of these, hands down, the smoothest/quietest oil was Castrol Edge 10w30! There is absolutely NO question. I am emphatic on purpose.
...I still have these in my stash to try yet...
Pennzoil Ultra 5w40 Euro (thanks Debbie!), Havoline DS 10w30, Pennzoil YB 5w30 & 10w40, Mobil 1 10w40 HM, Mobil 1 0w20 AFE, Mobil Clean 5k 5w30, Quaker State 5/10w30 Ultimate Durability.
...I plan on buying these to try too...
Red Line 0/5w30/40, Mobil 1 0w40 Euro, Mobil 1 5w30 ESP, Mobil 1 5w30 HM, Amsoil 5w30 European Formula, Royal Purple XPR 5w30 & 10w40, Motul 300v 5w40, Valvoline MaxLife Full Synthetic 10w30 and regular Shell 10w30.
But again, there is absolutely no question in my mind, at all, the quietest and smoothest so far was the Castrol Edge 10w30.
Anyhow, I've used, tested and drive... Mobil 1 10w30 HM, Mobil 1 15w50 Racing, Mobil 1 AFE 0w30, Mobil 1 5w20, Valvoline SynPower 5/10w30, Pennzoil Platinum 5/10w30, Pennzoil Ultra 5w30, Rotella T6 5w40, Red Line 10w40, Castrol GTX 5w30, GC Syntec 0w30, Royal Purple 0w40, Castrol Edge 5/10w30.
Of all of these, hands down, the smoothest/quietest oil was Castrol Edge 10w30! There is absolutely NO question. I am emphatic on purpose.
...I still have these in my stash to try yet...
Pennzoil Ultra 5w40 Euro (thanks Debbie!), Havoline DS 10w30, Pennzoil YB 5w30 & 10w40, Mobil 1 10w40 HM, Mobil 1 0w20 AFE, Mobil Clean 5k 5w30, Quaker State 5/10w30 Ultimate Durability.
...I plan on buying these to try too...
Red Line 0/5w30/40, Mobil 1 0w40 Euro, Mobil 1 5w30 ESP, Mobil 1 5w30 HM, Amsoil 5w30 European Formula, Royal Purple XPR 5w30 & 10w40, Motul 300v 5w40, Valvoline MaxLife Full Synthetic 10w30 and regular Shell 10w30.
But again, there is absolutely no question in my mind, at all, the quietest and smoothest so far was the Castrol Edge 10w30.
I should say, I'm not buying all these oils just to see which is quietest. Most I buy on a sale and some of the other's are just to top-notch oils I want to try or am wanting to try in the future. Though my wifes is avid that from now on I am to put back in her GMC Jimmy the Castrol Edge 10w30 after her current run, as she also noticed the loss of smoothness and quietness when I (prematurely) took it out of her truck.
Also, the 10 Focus of my future son-in-law who also lives with us, he tells me I am to ONLY put the Mobil 1 5w20 in his Focus S. As he says the same thing about it being smooth and quiet but also stresses to me his car feels like it has more pep (his words). He came from Valvoline white bottle conventional though. I bought him some 0w20 AFE that I caught on clearance at AZ (manager's special) and I think I have him talked into using it over the winter. Though it took me some time to educate him on oil and what the "w" meant, as he though it meant "weight" and was scared to death I was trying to talk him into putting a "zero weight oil" into his car. I also explained that Mobil probably used better base-stock to increase the spread from 5w to 0w in order to achieve the spread instead of shear-able VII's. That in essence, he is probably getting the 0w for free! Now he kind of sits in awe when we talk oil and has pretty much left it up for me. He just wants it to be Mobil 1. I told him we'll run the 0w20 AFE in the winter, then switch to 5w20 EP to run through Spring/Summer/Fall until winter comes again.
Also, the 10 Focus of my future son-in-law who also lives with us, he tells me I am to ONLY put the Mobil 1 5w20 in his Focus S. As he says the same thing about it being smooth and quiet but also stresses to me his car feels like it has more pep (his words). He came from Valvoline white bottle conventional though. I bought him some 0w20 AFE that I caught on clearance at AZ (manager's special) and I think I have him talked into using it over the winter. Though it took me some time to educate him on oil and what the "w" meant, as he though it meant "weight" and was scared to death I was trying to talk him into putting a "zero weight oil" into his car. I also explained that Mobil probably used better base-stock to increase the spread from 5w to 0w in order to achieve the spread instead of shear-able VII's. That in essence, he is probably getting the 0w for free! Now he kind of sits in awe when we talk oil and has pretty much left it up for me. He just wants it to be Mobil 1. I told him we'll run the 0w20 AFE in the winter, then switch to 5w20 EP to run through Spring/Summer/Fall until winter comes again.
I haven't used the variety of oils as several posters here, but the smoothest I've tried is Mobil EP 5w30. I intend to use Castrol Edge in some point in the future to make a comparison. Would love to hear a comparison from those who have used these extended drain oils.
I've never noticed ANY difference in ANY of my vehicles as far as engine noise in concerned between Mobil 1 and other brands of oil. Perhaps it is unique to certain engines and I don't have the engines that are "oil sensitive". I am skeptical of noise comments and Mobil 1....but some of the posters that mentioned it before are reputable people, so that's why I wonder if it is engine specific.
But - I will say this, as far as a Harley Twin Cam motor goes, I have noticed that the Syn3 (I only sinned once!) oil made the engine very noisy. When I went to M1 V-Twin oil the engine was very much quieter...and when I switched to Redline , quieter yet.
But - I will say this, as far as a Harley Twin Cam motor goes, I have noticed that the Syn3 (I only sinned once!) oil made the engine very noisy. When I went to M1 V-Twin oil the engine was very much quieter...and when I switched to Redline , quieter yet.
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The Expedition (4.6L SOHC) and the mustang (4.0L SOHC) are both quieter on the Mobil 1 than on anything else. Especially the mustang, which had a bit of timing chain noise on both Maxlife Blend, and PYB. None of that with the Mobil 1. *Shrug*
From all the synthetics I have tried so far which ranges from PP, M1, Castrol Edge, RL and RP the best running engine in means of NVH is by far RP. But to put a twist to this equation, the quietest of all has been conventional Pennzoil 5w30.
Originally Posted By: tig1
I dont have another oil to compare to as I have used M1 for 32 years, but my engines are very quite with M1 oils. Also others have told me M1 has made lifter noise less noticeable with M1 than the dino of their choice.
I just switched both my Chevy trucks from PYB to M1 EP and didnt notice any difference in sound. I only plan on going by the OLM on these trucks so maybe the plain M1 would be better to use than the EP.(price wise).
Tig, I have one question for you, My 2500HD with the 6.0 gas runs a higher RPM than the 1500 on the highway (2500 rpm's at 70mph) will the M1 EP hold up better for the higher RPM's compared to the reg M1 5w30?
I dont have another oil to compare to as I have used M1 for 32 years, but my engines are very quite with M1 oils. Also others have told me M1 has made lifter noise less noticeable with M1 than the dino of their choice.
I just switched both my Chevy trucks from PYB to M1 EP and didnt notice any difference in sound. I only plan on going by the OLM on these trucks so maybe the plain M1 would be better to use than the EP.(price wise).
Tig, I have one question for you, My 2500HD with the 6.0 gas runs a higher RPM than the 1500 on the highway (2500 rpm's at 70mph) will the M1 EP hold up better for the higher RPM's compared to the reg M1 5w30?
Wow, this thread came back from the dead.
My general experience has been that thicker is smoother and quieter, although thinner is not really loud or rough.
I will drain the M1 15W-50 out of the '99 Accord this week, and put in M1 0W-30.
I know from past experience with this particular change in weight that the engine will be slightly louder on the AFE, but not objectionably so.
It will also rev noticeably more freely, and fuel economy may nudge up a couple of tenths.
For those who have commented on how smooth and quiet the fairly thin Edge is, I have five quarts of it, bought with one of Castrol's rare MIRs, which I will use after the run of the M1 AFE.
It will be interesting to compare the two.
My general experience has been that thicker is smoother and quieter, although thinner is not really loud or rough.
I will drain the M1 15W-50 out of the '99 Accord this week, and put in M1 0W-30.
I know from past experience with this particular change in weight that the engine will be slightly louder on the AFE, but not objectionably so.
It will also rev noticeably more freely, and fuel economy may nudge up a couple of tenths.
For those who have commented on how smooth and quiet the fairly thin Edge is, I have five quarts of it, bought with one of Castrol's rare MIRs, which I will use after the run of the M1 AFE.
It will be interesting to compare the two.
Originally Posted By: porkchop01
Originally Posted By: tig1
I dont have another oil to compare to as I have used M1 for 32 years, but my engines are very quite with M1 oils. Also others have told me M1 has made lifter noise less noticeable with M1 than the dino of their choice.
I just switched both my Chevy trucks from PYB to M1 EP and didnt notice any difference in sound. I only plan on going by the OLM on these trucks so maybe the plain M1 would be better to use than the EP.(price wise).
Tig, I have one question for you, My 2500HD with the 6.0 gas runs a higher RPM than the 1500 on the highway (2500 rpm's at 70mph) will the M1 EP hold up better for the higher RPM's compared to the reg M1 5w30?
I would say the M1 EP will be fine for the higher RPM as it has a GM 6094M rating as does the reg M1 5-30. Since you are following the OLM the reg M1 will be fine. The primary benifit of EP is for longer than normal OCIs. A friend is doing 15K OCIs with 5-30EP and his Ford 3.8 is doing fine.(130K) My brother in law has a 02 Silverado 5.3 and he has been doing 10K OCIs with no problems as well.
Originally Posted By: tig1
I dont have another oil to compare to as I have used M1 for 32 years, but my engines are very quite with M1 oils. Also others have told me M1 has made lifter noise less noticeable with M1 than the dino of their choice.
I just switched both my Chevy trucks from PYB to M1 EP and didnt notice any difference in sound. I only plan on going by the OLM on these trucks so maybe the plain M1 would be better to use than the EP.(price wise).
Tig, I have one question for you, My 2500HD with the 6.0 gas runs a higher RPM than the 1500 on the highway (2500 rpm's at 70mph) will the M1 EP hold up better for the higher RPM's compared to the reg M1 5w30?
I would say the M1 EP will be fine for the higher RPM as it has a GM 6094M rating as does the reg M1 5-30. Since you are following the OLM the reg M1 will be fine. The primary benifit of EP is for longer than normal OCIs. A friend is doing 15K OCIs with 5-30EP and his Ford 3.8 is doing fine.(130K) My brother in law has a 02 Silverado 5.3 and he has been doing 10K OCIs with no problems as well.
Thanks for the info Tig. I will be staying with M1 in my trucks regardless of the nay sayers. After all, XOM is the factory fill in GM cars and trucks and the M1 is factory fill for many others as well. Must be good!
While I find nothing seriously wrong with any of the oils being criticized, the fact that is "factory fill" is one of the worst things to base a choice on!
Pure marketing. If you had enough cash you could have 'Porkchop's Super Performance' oil as a factory fill!
Pure marketing. If you had enough cash you could have 'Porkchop's Super Performance' oil as a factory fill!
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
While I find nothing seriously wrong with any of the oils being criticized, the fact that is "factory fill" is one of the worst things to base a choice on!
Pure marketing. If you had enough cash you could have 'Porkchop's Super Performance' oil as a factory fill!
Yes, XM takes advantage of the marketing they receive from factory fills. They would be foolish not to, but you overlook the fact that XM spends a great deal of R&D with manufactures of engines to develope oils suitable for their ever changing engines. Doug Hillary has documented this several times the connections with MB, Porsche, and other world class auto companies and EM. Shell is another company that does the same thing. The labels under the hood does represent more than marketing.
While I find nothing seriously wrong with any of the oils being criticized, the fact that is "factory fill" is one of the worst things to base a choice on!
Pure marketing. If you had enough cash you could have 'Porkchop's Super Performance' oil as a factory fill!
Yes, XM takes advantage of the marketing they receive from factory fills. They would be foolish not to, but you overlook the fact that XM spends a great deal of R&D with manufactures of engines to develope oils suitable for their ever changing engines. Doug Hillary has documented this several times the connections with MB, Porsche, and other world class auto companies and EM. Shell is another company that does the same thing. The labels under the hood does represent more than marketing.
I theorize that the very consistent molecule structure in M1 leads to more sound transference/propagation in certain frequencies.
This happen to occur at engine noise ranges.
This happen to occur at engine noise ranges.
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