Oil conspiracy theories?

[Yup]

Originally Posted By: SpecM
Originally Posted By: Yup

I just talked with a guy that said a Honda minivan tranny can't be rebuilt because it's "one piece". I had never heard that before. His was a late 90s model. Said with 280k miles he can either buy a used one, new one, but they can't rebuild them...???? Is this true???


Not true at all. If it is 'one piece', then how is it assembled?


That's what I wondered! I said, "are you sure? There's gotta be bolts holding it together." He was adamant that he can buy used or new but can't rebuild it because it's one unit that isn't able to be rebuilt. He doesn't know much about cars, so I was thinking his mechanic told him the labor for doing it makes it a bad idea, or something similar, and he heard, "it's impossible".

 

[Pepsibottle1]

0W20 is really just water, so we're unknowingly accelerating engine wear. A classic conspiracy to force Americans to buy new product.

 

[SatinSilver]

Originally Posted By: Yup
That's what I wondered! I said, "are you sure? There's gotta be bolts holding it together." He was adamant that he can buy used or new but can't rebuild it because it's one unit that isn't able to be rebuilt. He doesn't know much about cars, so I was thinking his mechanic told him the labor for doing it makes it a bad idea, or something similar, and he heard, "it's impossible".


It's a very complex transmission. Honda has two or three authorized rebuilders of their transmissions. HEC and H&A rebuild them and the quality is very good. Honda builds their own transmissions when the car is new.

Here's a super long thread on the Accord forum about their transmissions:

http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/53-6th-generation/33349-continuing-saga-gen-six-issues.html

 

[bullwinkle]

Originally Posted By: NHGUY
Talk amongst legislature in 1976/77 was that a law was imminent forcing manufacturers to "seal" the engine compartments/making a one piece front clip that required special tools to open.The powertrain unit was to be treated as an "assembly",forcing no repairs but complete replacement if something went wrong.This was an obvious reaction the Feds had to newfound emissions devices and the public's habit of unhooking/bypassing them.For some reason the discussion never went any further and to this day engine compartments are accessable yet they hold the big fines and jail time over heads for emissions tampering. Yes,at one time,big brother wanted to keep you out from under the hood of YOUR possession.
That would be a real quick way to put the car companies out of business, nobody would buy them (except maybe a Rolls-Royce).

 

[Yah-Tah-Hey]

And no sooner had I touched the "submit" button, another myth pops up.Now some one tell us about the hundred mile to the gallon carburetor that the oil companies kept sequestered from the motoring public.

 

[Turbo_Lemming]

If I recall: Every major world event, from Kuwait invasion to 9/11, was bankrolled and coordinated by Big Oil. To keep their profits up. After all, bankers and oil companies control every event and election in the world, installing puppets. Ask Matt Damon.

Yes?

 

[FCD]

Originally Posted By: Pepsibottle1
0W20 is really just water, so we're unknowingly accelerating engine wear. A classic conspiracy to force Americans to buy new product.

I've recently heard a lot more of "20w50 is too thick like molasses and it will choke your engine"

 

[Pepsibottle1]

Originally Posted By: FordCapriDriver
Originally Posted By: Pepsibottle1
0W20 is really just water, so we're unknowingly accelerating engine wear. A classic conspiracy to force Americans to buy new product.

I've recently heard a lot more of "20w50 is too thick like molasses and it will choke your engine"


What? That's just silly, in fact I fill every modern compact with that at the shop!

 

[Turbo_Lemming]

Originally Posted By: Pepsibottle1
Originally Posted By: FordCapriDriver
Originally Posted By: Pepsibottle1
0W20 is really just water, so we're unknowingly accelerating engine wear. A classic conspiracy to force Americans to buy new product.

I've recently heard a lot more of "20w50 is too thick like molasses and it will choke your engine"


What? That's just silly, in fact I fill every modern compact with that at the shop!


20W-50 might just be the most controversial grade made. Some call it Motor Mud.

Every time I put 20W-50 in a car, I have to honestly ask myself if thin oil is the way to go, the thicker oil runs so well.

The operating premise in using really thin oils in just about any app with limited exception (?) is that everything we know about motor oil is wrong.. Which actually does sound conspiracy theory-ish.

 

[Pepsibottle1]

Originally Posted By: Turbo_Lemming
Originally Posted By: Pepsibottle1
Originally Posted By: FordCapriDriver
Originally Posted By: Pepsibottle1
0W20 is really just water, so we're unknowingly accelerating engine wear. A classic conspiracy to force Americans to buy new product.

I've recently heard a lot more of "20w50 is too thick like molasses and it will choke your engine"


What? That's just silly, in fact I fill every modern compact with that at the shop!


20W-50 might just be the most controversial grade made. Some call it Motor Mud.

Every time I put 20W-50 in a car, I have to honestly ask myself if thin oil is the way to go, the thicker oil runs so well.

The operating premise in using really thin oils in just about any app with limited exception (?) is that everything we know about motor oil is wrong.. Which actually does sound conspiracy theory-ish.


All about the push for fuel economy. Just confirmed that on the CX-5 I did an OFL on today. Calls for 0W20 in the U.S, 5W30 elsewhere worldwide. Gotta meet those CAFE standards. Ended up filling with M1 5W30 and felt the wrath of a younger mechanic who thought I was going to blow the car up

 

[Yah-Tah-Hey]

Superstition and ignorance dominated Western Civilization for over a thousand years and the effect linger on into the third millennium.

 

[HTSS_TR]

Originally Posted By: FordCapriDriver
I've heard a lot of people say that manufacturers are starting to go to ever longer oil change intervals so that their engines are damaged and worn down on purpose so you have to buy a new car or engine sooner, am i the only one that's heard this?? sounds like utter B-S to me

How did Toyota become number 1 seller in the world ?

Which car company had the most total profit in 2015 ? Which car company had the most profit per vehicle in 2015 ?

Their Camry, Corolla ... are good driver cars ? Or they sell by bucket because they are so reliable ?

 

[camrydriver111]

Originally Posted By: FordCapriDriver
I've heard a lot of people say that manufacturers are starting to go to ever longer oil change intervals so that their engines are damaged and worn down on purpose so you have to buy a new car or engine sooner, am i the only one that's heard this?? sounds like utter B-S to me


If you ever hang out on a BMW forum you will hear this A LOT.

 

[dlundblad]

Originally Posted By: camrydriver111
Originally Posted By: FordCapriDriver
I've heard a lot of people say that manufacturers are starting to go to ever longer oil change intervals so that their engines are damaged and worn down on purpose so you have to buy a new car or engine sooner, am i the only one that's heard this?? sounds like utter B-S to me


If you ever hang out on a BMW forum you will hear this A LOT.


I bet there is a lot of "0w40 is too thin" folks on them.

 

[chrisri]

Not necessarily, but sometimes it's possible. What OEMs are after is cheaper cost of operating for entire life of vehicle ( leasing time really) for owner /operator. Sometimes that will mean that OEM would stretch cambelt change interval because main competitors have chain driven distribution. Or to stretch OCI even you know your engines are fuel diluters'.

That said, usually no. We have delivery van with 420k doing nothing than 20k oci. Another one with 300k.
Dad's MAN TGA had 650k when sold to Africa. Only about 10 OCIs prior to the sell. Truck work great.
Current Stralis 500 is even better; six OCI for 550k. Going strong.

So yes, use common sense and follow that. Nobody is working in your best interest, unless it suits them.

 

[Turbo_Lemming]

Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Originally Posted By: camrydriver111
Originally Posted By: FordCapriDriver
I've heard a lot of people say that manufacturers are starting to go to ever longer oil change intervals so that their engines are damaged and worn down on purpose so you have to buy a new car or engine sooner, am i the only one that's heard this?? sounds like utter B-S to me


If you ever hang out on a BMW forum you will hear this A LOT.


I bet there is a lot of "0w40 is too thin" folks on them.


You should see the Jaguar "forum." People get lectured for using 10W-40. Even though a lot of Jag owners use GC 0W-30.. They do not accept anything that's not 20W-50. And I truly feel they are wrong.

5W-50 is an extremely common oil choice to go in an old BMW 6 or 8.. Never had nor want a BMW 4. There is no point in that.

As to the OCI.. Its [censored] because the warranties get longer too, and if enough engines fail the brand image gets tarnished so maybe it costs them a lot on buying oil

 

[4wheeldog]

All the evidence is to the contrary. Most car engines outlast the rest of the vehicle. Extended OCIs do not seem to effect engine lifespan much, except in those that are poorly engineered.

The fact is, most folks buy new cars because their needs change, or they are just tired of the old one. Human nature is what keeps car manufacturers rich.

 

[69GTX]

Originally Posted By: Turbo_Lemming
If I recall: Every major world event, from Kuwait invasion to 9/11, was bankrolled and coordinated by Big Oil. To keep their profits up. After all, bankers and oil companies control every event and election in the world, installing puppets. Ask Matt Damon.

Yes?



Considering the largest 2 dozen banks in the world control approx $900 TRILL in over the counter derivatives, 80% of those interest rate/bond linked, I'd say their tentacles are pretty much into every facet of the financial/industrial/political world.

 

[FCD]

Dang Reptillians controlling our minds

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted By: Kuato
Originally Posted By: Bandito440
I heard that the government puts fluoride into the oil supply in order to control the ECM's thoughts.


There is some basis in fact here...in the 50s and 60s in the US, the water WAS fluoridated, with the reason given to help prevent tooth decay. It may still be fluoridated today, but if it is they aren't telling us.

Fluoride is still used today in mental hospitals to help control patients.


The research was pushed from the early nuclear programme, where they were exposing workers (and those around plants) to high levels of fluoride, and wanted to research the risks.

They found a community that had naturally high levels of fluoride from naturally occurring minerals, and coincidentaly had low tooth decay rates....so instead of becoming a risk, it became a positive and recommendation was to get it into the water (dilution is the solution), and thus became the compulsory medication if the masses..and their bathwater, car washing water, gardening etc. etc.

Even the most supportive of studies only show a 20% reduction over non fluoridated areas, while it has been linked to bone cancer in boys, and hip fractures.

You still have it...the American Dental Association now recommend bottled water for mixing infant's formula to avoid some of the side effects of too much of the stuff on early tooth development.

My town got it a few years ago under MASSIVE pressure from the state Govt....and entrusted it to the jerks who can't even keep the town pool from bleaching kids hair and swimwear....even the local dentists were against the mass medication of the town.