Oil choice for VW 1.8T

[RooflessVW]

Originally Posted By: KL31
10k miles is a lot of kms. You said you do lots of short trips though? So is it lots of short trips multiple times per day? Do you actually do 10k miles per year? If you do, I'd definitely go with the 5k oil change.

With many short trips and not heating the oil fully, that would classify as "severe service". If you did all highway driving then it would be fine.

I don't get people here saying to just run 10k. Dumb advice in my opinion. It's a turbo car and will beat the poop out of most oils. Why risk anything when an extra DIY oil change will cost you less than $50 per year. There's absolutely nothing negative about changing oil more often other than the small cost.


VW's recommendation is 10k miles or 1 year and it is not a stretch in the slightest. An OEM filter and any modern A3/B4/502/LL01/A40/M229.5 oil is more than capable of protection during what is actually a fairly normal service interval on today's vehicles. All of those are long-life certifications and are designed for use in engines with timing chains, variable valve timing, turbochargers, and high output.

If changing every 5k miles or 6 months makes you feel better then so be it, but lets be clear; all it is doing is making you feel better and all it is worth is piece of mind.

 

[dlundblad]

10k shouldnt be an issue at all.

How much oil does it consume?

How much oil does the sump hold?

As far as M1 dropping the BMW approval, I can't help but wonder if this was money related. M1 doesn't carry the Chrysler approval, but PP does... This does not automatically mean PP is the "better" or more obvious choice for a car not requiring those approvals.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: dlundblad
10k shouldnt be an issue at all.

How much oil does it consume?

How much oil does the sump hold?

As far as M1 dropping the BMW approval, I can't help but wonder if this was money related. M1 doesn't carry the Chrysler approval, but PP does... This does not automatically mean PP is the "better" or more obvious choice for a car not requiring those approvals.

AGAIN, getting approval costs usually between $3-5,000.
M1 has approval for Europe and other parts of the world, but then they still use there old version, VISOM based.
I just cannot believe that people still buy this notion that somehow car manufacturers are charging hundreds of thousands of dollars for approval.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Originally Posted By: KL31
10k miles is a lot of kms. You said you do lots of short trips though? So is it lots of short trips multiple times per day? Do you actually do 10k miles per year? If you do, I'd definitely go with the 5k oil change.

With many short trips and not heating the oil fully, that would classify as "severe service". If you did all highway driving then it would be fine.

I don't get people here saying to just run 10k. Dumb advice in my opinion. It's a turbo car and will beat the poop out of most oils. Why risk anything when an extra DIY oil change will cost you less than $50 per year. There's absolutely nothing negative about changing oil more often other than the small cost.


VW's recommendation is 10k miles or 1 year and it is not a stretch in the slightest. An OEM filter and any modern A3/B4/502/LL01/A40/M229.5 oil is more than capable of protection during what is actually a fairly normal service interval on today's vehicles. All of those are long-life certifications and are designed for use in engines with timing chains, variable valve timing, turbochargers, and high output.

If changing every 5k miles or 6 months makes you feel better then so be it, but lets be clear; all it is doing is making you feel better and all it is worth is piece of mind.

It won't work. I depleted M1 0W40 (old version) in VW CC 2.0T in 5K to 2.7 tbn. That was 70% HWY driving, and no gas in oil at all. 10K in DI engine in the U.S. on high sulfur gas is too much.

 

[dlundblad]

Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
10k shouldnt be an issue at all.

How much oil does it consume?

How much oil does the sump hold?

As far as M1 dropping the BMW approval, I can't help but wonder if this was money related. M1 doesn't carry the Chrysler approval, but PP does... This does not automatically mean PP is the "better" or more obvious choice for a car not requiring those approvals.

AGAIN, getting approval costs usually between $3-5,000.
M1 has approval for Europe and other parts of the world, but then they still use there old version, VISOM based.
I just cannot believe that people still buy this notion that somehow car manufacturers are charging hundreds of thousands of dollars for approval.


So by your method of thinking, M1 dropping the Chrysler MS-6395 spec was over approx. $3000-$5000.

Is this really what you are saying?

*I personally think there's for to it than a simple upfront cost for approval. Is Castrol in bed with BMW? Did this offend M1? $$$ related issues IMO. These are just examples so who knows.

 

[RooflessVW]

Originally Posted By: edyvw
It won't work. I depleted M1 0W40 (old version) in VW CC 2.0T in 5K to 2.7 tbn. That was 70% HWY driving, and no gas in oil at all. 10K in DI engine in the U.S. on high sulfur gas is too much.


Do you know that for a fact? Ever taken one to 10k/1yr?

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
10k shouldnt be an issue at all.

How much oil does it consume?

How much oil does the sump hold?

As far as M1 dropping the BMW approval, I can't help but wonder if this was money related. M1 doesn't carry the Chrysler approval, but PP does... This does not automatically mean PP is the "better" or more obvious choice for a car not requiring those approvals.

AGAIN, getting approval costs usually between $3-5,000.
M1 has approval for Europe and other parts of the world, but then they still use there old version, VISOM based.
I just cannot believe that people still buy this notion that somehow car manufacturers are charging hundreds of thousands of dollars for approval.


So by your method of thinking, M1 dropping the Chrysler MS-6395 spec was over approx. $3000-$5000.

Is this really what you are saying?

*I personally think there's for to it than a simple upfront cost for approval. Is Castrol in bed with BMW? Did this offend M1? $$$ related issues IMO. These are just examples so who knows.

No, I am saying that cost of approval IS NOT reason why Castrol is not meeting BMW LL-01. As for Chrysler MS-6395 that is required for Pentastar engines, what 0W40 M1 has to do with that? It is overkill anyway and not sure what is meaning of MS-6395?
M1 IMO has still issues with GTL base stock, that is why it does not carry LL-01. And as for MS-6395, I am seriously not sure why other M1 oils do not meet it. I am not particularly sure that is hard spec. to meet in the first place.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Originally Posted By: edyvw
It won't work. I depleted M1 0W40 (old version) in VW CC 2.0T in 5K to 2.7 tbn. That was 70% HWY driving, and no gas in oil at all. 10K in DI engine in the U.S. on high sulfur gas is too much.


Do you know that for a fact? Ever taken one to 10k/1yr?

In my engine it did not work. Like I said, TBN was delated to 2.7 after 5K, 70% HWY. Now, if you want to try in your car be my guest. Also, most VW's who have CBU issues are the ones maintained at VW dealerships.

 

[KL31]

Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
VW's recommendation is 10k miles or 1 year and it is not a stretch in the slightest. An OEM filter and any modern A3/B4/502/LL01/A40/M229.5 oil is more than capable of protection during what is actually a fairly normal service interval on today's vehicles. All of those are long-life certifications and are designed for use in engines with timing chains, variable valve timing, turbochargers, and high output.

If changing every 5k miles or 6 months makes you feel better then so be it, but lets be clear; all it is doing is making you feel better and all it is worth is piece of mind.


VW don't care about the engine after warranty the more sludge after 3 years the better. It's gambling in my opinion. For the cheap cost of oil (very cheap in usa) you can ensure against sludge and engine damage. I didn't know it was also direct injection too. Geez 10k miles on DI and Turbocharged AND short tripping. Dreaming!

 

[artificialist]

One way to save money on VW oil change supplies is going to a VW performance parts website and buying an oil change kit.
You get an OEM or OES filter, the amount of oil you need, and a drain plug gasket.

I recommend not getting Pentosin engine oil. In the European oil subforum, people say that their cars consume Pentosin more quickly than Mobil1 or Castrol.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: artificialist
One way to save money on VW oil change supplies is going to a VW performance parts website and buying an oil change kit.
You get an OEM or OES filter, the amount of oil you need, and a drain plug gasket.

I recommend not getting Pentosin engine oil. In the European oil subforum, people say that their cars consume Pentosin more quickly than Mobil1 or Castrol.

Used it once in VW CC, never used a drop of Pentosin.

 

[dlundblad]

Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
10k shouldnt be an issue at all.

How much oil does it consume?

How much oil does the sump hold?

As far as M1 dropping the BMW approval, I can't help but wonder if this was money related. M1 doesn't carry the Chrysler approval, but PP does... This does not automatically mean PP is the "better" or more obvious choice for a car not requiring those approvals.

AGAIN, getting approval costs usually between $3-5,000.
M1 has approval for Europe and other parts of the world, but then they still use there old version, VISOM based.
I just cannot believe that people still buy this notion that somehow car manufacturers are charging hundreds of thousands of dollars for approval.


So by your method of thinking, M1 dropping the Chrysler MS-6395 spec was over approx. $3000-$5000.

Is this really what you are saying?

*I personally think there's for to it than a simple upfront cost for approval. Is Castrol in bed with BMW? Did this offend M1? $$$ related issues IMO. These are just examples so who knows.

No, I am saying that cost of approval IS NOT reason why Castrol is not meeting BMW LL-01. As for Chrysler MS-6395 that is required for Pentastar engines, what 0W40 M1 has to do with that? It is overkill anyway and not sure what is meaning of MS-6395?
M1 IMO has still issues with GTL base stock, that is why it does not carry LL-01. And as for MS-6395, I am seriously not sure why other M1 oils do not meet it. I am not particularly sure that is hard spec. to meet in the first place.


I suggest you re-read what I posted and/ or stop being so dense. It's absolutely painful.

Nowhere did I say M1 did not want to pay for a BMW approval. I did however suggest I am sure money was involved one way or another.

Nowhere did I say M1 0w40 had anything to do with the 6395 spec. The spec was mentioned as an example showing that just because 2 similar oils don't carry the same approval, that doesn't mean one is inferior to another. Also, the 6395 spec extends much further than the Pentastar. Where'd you come up with that?

For OP's car, the 2 can be ran interchangeably. End of discussion.

 

[53' Stude]

+1000 Dlundblad, as think you were having a conversation with a wall there for a while

 

[edyvw]

Quote:
I suggest you re-read what I posted and/ or stop being so dense. It's absolutely painful.

Nowhere did I say M1 did not want to pay for a BMW approval. I did however suggest I am sure money was involved one way or another.

Nowhere did I say M1 0w40 had anything to do with the 6395 spec. The spec was mentioned as an example showing that just because 2 similar oils don't carry the same approval, that doesn't mean one is inferior to another. Also, the 6395 spec extends much further than the Pentastar. Where'd you come up with that?

For OP's car, the 2 can be ran interchangeably. End of discussion.

How money was involved one way or another? Loosing BMW customers? M1 is betting on GTL, my take is that they still have issues with GTL hence, they are not offering GTL anywhere else except North America.
M1 in Euro line of oils is known as oil that usually has a lot, if not most of necessary approvals, and dropping LL-01 is IMO serious issue.
By the way, LL-01 is currently most stringent spec. for gassers. Of course two similar oils does not mean that one might be inferior to another. However, for example Castrol 5W40 does not meet MB 229.5 which is extremely stringent on deposits, something that TSI engines had and still have a lot of issues with. And that is the oil that VW uses. Why? oh well, why they cheated on diesel engines?
As for 6395 not sure why M1 does not carry it, but for OP does not matter at all. Pentastar, HEMI, it is not point of discussion.

 

[RooflessVW]

Originally Posted By: KL31
VW don't care about the engine after warranty the more sludge after 3 years the better. It's gambling in my opinion. For the cheap cost of oil (very cheap in usa) you can ensure against sludge and engine damage. I didn't know it was also direct injection too. Geez 10k miles on DI and Turbocharged AND short tripping. Dreaming!


I haven't seen sludge in ANY VW engine since the early 1.8t, whether dealer-maintained, enthusiast maintained, or with an unknown maintenance history.

10k/1yr or MORE is what MANY manufacturers recommend. It isn't just VW. I'll stick with the factory service intervals; they treat my car well.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Originally Posted By: KL31
VW don't care about the engine after warranty the more sludge after 3 years the better. It's gambling in my opinion. For the cheap cost of oil (very cheap in usa) you can ensure against sludge and engine damage. I didn't know it was also direct injection too. Geez 10k miles on DI and Turbocharged AND short tripping. Dreaming!


I haven't seen sludge in ANY VW engine since the early 1.8t, whether dealer-maintained, enthusiast maintained, or with an unknown maintenance history.

10k/1yr or MORE is what MANY manufacturers recommend. It isn't just VW. I'll stick with the factory service intervals; they treat my car well.

Nope, BMW had 15K and scaled down all their engines to 10K due to TBN depletion. However, long intervals are usual in Europe, but that is another issue.
As for sludge, yes, old 1.8T had that issue if you used wrong oil. If you used right oil it was not an issue.
But, your car your decision. I know one thing, I change mine at 5K religiously.

 

[gregk24]

Wow, got a little heated in here. Thanks for all the info guys! I am a Honda nut myself but am enjoying learning more about VW. Again, for now I plan on changing the oil half way between the dealer freebees with Castrol 0w40.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: gregk24
Wow, got a little heated in here. Thanks for all the info guys! I am a Honda nut myself but am enjoying learning more about VW. Again, for now I plan on changing the oil half way between the dealer freebees with Castrol 0w40.

Oils are worst then politics.

 

[RooflessVW]

Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: gregk24
Wow, got a little heated in here. Thanks for all the info guys! I am a Honda nut myself but am enjoying learning more about VW. Again, for now I plan on changing the oil half way between the dealer freebees with Castrol 0w40.

Oils are worst then politics.


No way. Tons of good choices in oil. In politics you have groups of people fighting over terrible choices.

OP, 5k changes with Castrol 0W-40 will certainly not do any harm. Are you planning on changing the filter at 5k as well, or running it for the full 10,000?

 

[KL31]

Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
No way. Tons of good choices in oil. In politics you have groups of people fighting over terrible choices.


That I'll agree with you 100%