Oil Change Intervals 3k vs Longer with full synthetic

I'm late to this party... but the old school way of thinking can get you in trouble. The lowest wear rates will occur when the oil is used to its max service life, whatever condemnation point that may be. Unless you're only short-tripping while towing a max load, the answer is not 3k miles. If your worry is on oil degradation, you're focusing on the wrong thing.

There's several contributing factors to engine wear that start from the moment you first start the engine after an oil change. Much of this is mitigated by using better oil. The first consideration is volatility. The more volatile the oil, the more oil evaporation will occur and the more piston, ring, and valve deposits you will get. This process starts the first time the oil splashes on hot pistons and cylinder walls, not at 5k, 10k, or 25k miles. That virgin oil is going to burn off the light ends rather quickly, and this contributes to ring coking and valve deposits. Changing the oil more frequently than necessary can mean evaporating and burning these light ends more frequently for no positive trade-off.

Another factor is chemical stripping of anti-wear films by frequent bombardment of fresh detergents. While research into this is still in its infancy, there's evidence of anti-wear activity being lower for the first couple hundred miles or couple hours of run time after an oil change due to fresh detergents chemically stripping the anti-wear films deposited by the previous oil. The detergents are non-discriminatory in that they don't care what's deposited or what's acidic, whether good or bad, they're going to attack it all. It takes a little time for the fresh oil's anti-wear additives to replenish these losses. The result is a slightly higher wear rate for the first few hundred miles after an oil change. Changing the oil more frequently than necessary just puts the engine through this cycle more frequently for (again) no positive trade-off.

There's other factors, but I've got to wrap this up. Both situations above are mitigated by using better quality oil. Oils that are less volatile will contribute less to ring coking and deposits. Oils with certain esters will dissolve and remove deposits that do form. Oils with multiple anti-wear and FM additives working in synergy can mitigate the affects of chemical film stripping. These oils will also go longer intervals further minimizing these cycles.

I've seen just as many religiously maintained engines that are full of sludge as I have ones with poor maintenance. It's almost like the quality of oil matters...
the oil evaporation is leaner and not an instant drop like upside down hockey stick graph, otherwise oil manufacturers would evaporate before use. And at the same time with the time you have oils degradation as additives level depleting, oxidation, thermal breakdown, contamination, sludge formation, viscosity changes.

I always use manufactures manual for severe driving conditions as with traffic and city drivings and bunch of short tripping how to not.
 
Tough crowd :(...Leave old school alone. I really don't do many OCI's anymore, simply because I'm retired. I go maybe 2500 mi a year ???....And the ball and chain's job is super close to home, so it's the same for her car. So, in reality, I'm only doing 1 oil change with filter a year per car. I think 12 months of the same oil in an engine is long enough anyway. With all the hydrocarbons, crappy ethanol gas. I do take them on the highway every now and again to heat up the cats and clean them out though. Can't we just play nice in the sandbox ?...I realize a lot of you guys do some serious driving. I'm sorry if I offended anybody :(
 
Tough crowd :(...Leave old school alone. I really don't do many OCI's anymore, simply because I'm retired. I go maybe 2500 mi a year ???....And the ball and chain's job is super close to home, so it's the same for her car. So, in reality, I'm only doing 1 oil change with filter a year per car. I think 12 months of the same oil in an engine is long enough anyway. With all the hydrocarbons, crappy ethanol gas. I do take them on the highway every now and again to heat up the cats and clean them out though. Can't we just play nice in the sandbox ?...I realize a lot of you guys do some serious driving. I'm sorry if I offended anybody :(
It's not your position, it's your expression that synthetics were a "scam", which is just downright denying the science behind base oils. This is a complex topic, if somebody feels better knowing little about it and just going by "feelings" so be it, but if you claim the stuff you are ignorant about is a conspiracy or scam, you are going to get called out.
 
Hahahahahah....Sorry....Should have taken that " Grammarly thingy" that's always in my junk folder ....Let's get this grammatically correct now : The vehicle is a 2013 Honda CRC AWD EXL. 614, 863 miles . I'm just REALLY bummed out that the warranty was 5yr/60k, and the tranny blew at 4yrs/ 70k. Sad part is that I spilled and filled that tranny every 25k using OE Honda fluid. So, I took it back to Honda and had a re-manned one put in. 3yr/36k warranty. So far, fingers crossed, I put 544,863 miles on it. Still spill and fill @ 25k. The engine and tranny are on borrowed time, no doubt about that. :(....But, get this. Bank 1 & Bank 2 Cats just now crapped the bed @ 613,000 miles. I was impressed with that :)
 
Hahahahahah....Sorry....Should have taken that " Grammarly thingy" that's always in my junk folder ....Let's get this grammatically correct now : The vehicle is a 2013 Honda CRC AWD EXL. 614, 863 miles . I'm just REALLY bummed out that the warranty was 5yr/60k, and the tranny blew at 4yrs/ 70k. Sad part is that I spilled and filled that tranny every 25k using OE Honda fluid. So, I took it back to Honda and had a re-manned one put in. 3yr/36k warranty. So far, fingers crossed, I put 544,863 miles on it. Still spill and fill @ 25k. The engine and tranny are on borrowed time, no doubt about that. :(....But, get this. Bank 1 & Bank 2 Cats just now crapped the bed @ 613,000 miles. I was impressed with that :)
600,000 miles is really impressive! For any car! Do you burn any oil?

I’m no expert, but it does seem that the transmissions are the weak link in Hondas. And the VCM in the J series engines.
 
No oil burning, no puff of stem seal at start up. Had the valves adjusted a few times and one VTC actuator. One day, a piston rod will come flying out the side of the block. Can't run forever.
That’s impressive. I agree with others that you could have stretched the OCIs a bit with a quality synthetic, but hard to argue with success too!
 
No Uber driver. My job at the local utility company, ( Con-Ed ), was a " Construction Rep". A Union job that required you to use you're own personal car to drive around to different jobsites scattered across Westchester County, NY. Sub-contractor's were doing the actual work, and I had to make sure they weren't cutting corners, and doing sh-t work. Got paid 50 cents a mile toward gas, and $250 bucks a year for maintenance. ( OH BOY...GENEROUS ) . Westchester County is huge. That's how I racked up the miles. I retired in 2022. Drove all day plus overtime. Glad that's over with :)
 
No Uber driver. My job at the local utility company, ( Con-Ed ), was a " Construction Rep". A Union job that required you to use you're own personal car to drive around to different jobsites scattered across Westchester County, NY. Sub-contractor's were doing the actual work, and I had to make sure they weren't cutting corners, and doing sh-t work. Got paid 50 cents a mile toward gas, and $250 bucks a year for maintenance. ( OH BOY...GENEROUS ) . Westchester County is huge. That's how I racked up the miles. I retired in 2022. Drove all day plus overtime. Glad that's over with :)
Wow. How many miles a year? 50 cents a mile is pretty good though. My expenses for gas is about 20 ¢/mile.
 
If you like wasting money, go for it…
I stopped doing 3k intervals more than 20 years ago and I have saved literally thousands of dollars. Not a single engine problem. Who’s the smart one here? 🤔
It all depends on the engine … Take a worse case Hyundai Theta II engine with almost 100% short trips and you are not going to want to go much past a 3K mile OCI . While you have had very good results going with longer OCI’s and saved a lot of $$ doing so indicates your engine and oil choice lend themselves to a longer OCI . Lastly , while you don’t have any engine problems yet doesn’t mean your ring packs are carbon free , you don’t have varnish or sludge building up in your engine , etc. All you know is your oil chsngevrrgimdnt hadn’t resulted in any engine issues to date - you don’t know how clean all of your engine internals are - you really wouldn’t know unless you did a complete engine tear down . Experts now suggest keeping an engine free from all deposits is a key factor in extended engine life (especially GDI engines) . Carbon build up in an engine is akin to having cancer - you want to eradicate it before it starts doing damage - then keep it at bay . What ever OCI you need to keep and maintain a clean engine is all that is important (don’t forget about having a clean PCV valve also) in increasing the life expectancy of an engine .
 
It all depends on the engine … Take a worse case Hyundai Theta II engine with almost 100% short trips and you are not going to want to go much past a 3K mile OCI . While you have had very good results going with longer OCI’s and saved a lot of $$ doing so indicates your engine and oil choice lend themselves to a longer OCI . Lastly , while you don’t have any engine problems yet doesn’t mean your ring packs are carbon free , you don’t have varnish or sludge building up in your engine , etc. All you know is your oil chsngevrrgimdnt hadn’t resulted in any engine issues to date - you don’t know how clean all of your engine internals are - you really wouldn’t know unless you did a complete engine tear down . Experts now suggest keeping an engine free from all deposits is a key factor in extended engine life (especially GDI engines) . Carbon build up in an engine is akin to having cancer - you want to eradicate it before it starts doing damage - then keep it at bay . What ever OCI you need to keep and maintain a clean engine is all that is important (don’t forget about having a clean PCV valve also) in increasing the life expectancy of an engine .
I also think that frequent changes aren’t always enough and can be detrimental too if a high quality oil isn’t used. As soon as that oil hits the hot pistons, you’re going to get deposit formation, even in the first few miles, as the lighter ends burn off.
 
Tired, roughly 68k - 70k a year....It really suc-ed !!!!! But, it was the highest paying Union job per hour. Worked that job from 2007-2022. From 1986-2007, I was in Gas Construction using Con-Ed utility vehicles. Took that higher paying job to boost my pension. In between, I worked 35 yrs on cars on weekends for a bunch of Pharmacies. They had delivery cars that needed servicing. About 25 of them. Did that on the weekends. Worked like a dog all those years, and now my back is shot. Should've went to college and got a desk job. Too late now. 2nd back disc went in on 6-16-25. I'm sure more to follow the older I get :(
 
Tired, roughly 68k - 70k a year....It really suc-ed !!!!! But, it was the highest paying Union job per hour. Worked that job from 2007-2022. From 1986-2007, I was in Gas Construction using Con-Ed utility vehicles. Took that higher paying job to boost my pension. In between, I worked 35 yrs on cars on weekends for a bunch of Pharmacies. They had delivery cars that needed servicing. About 25 of them. Did that on the weekends. Worked like a dog all those years, and now my back is shot. Should've went to college and got a desk job. Too late now. 2nd back disc went in on 6-16-25. I'm sure more to follow the older I get :(
Whoa!! That must be a forum record. Only long haul truckers or maybe some Hotshot drivers would do more. Incredible. If you changed every 3k, you were under that car A LOT. Wow.
 
Yeh, and I hated EVERY mile of it. In all weather ( except really bad snow storms or torrential rain days, they would shut down the jobs for safety concerns ) Don't put me in no records, I'm still forgetting. Don't want to be reminded here. Did it for the $$$$. Yes, I changed oil & filter just about every 2 weeks. Went thru 6 sets of plugs, 2 alternators, 6 batteries, 3 water pumps, 1 radiator, 1 set of coil packs, 2 valve cover gaskets, 1 tranny, 1 front seal, 1 oil sending switch, 1 driver side window regulator, a gazillion brakes and rotors, countless sets of tires, 2 radiator fan motors. Never burnt up axle bearings or broke axle boots. AND they give you $250 a year for maintenance, that was dumped onto you're paycheck, so you get more taxes taken out. I was a 36 year convict / # 11196 / Paroled in 2022 @ age 55
 
Yeh, and I hated EVERY mile of it. In all weather ( except really bad snow storms or torrential rain days, they would shut down the jobs for safety concerns ) Don't put me in no records, I'm still forgetting. Don't want to be reminded here. Did it for the $$$$. Yes, I changed oil & filter just about every 2 weeks. Went thru 6 sets of plugs, 2 alternators, 6 batteries, 3 water pumps, 1 radiator, 1 set of coil packs, 2 valve cover gaskets, 1 tranny, 1 front seal, 1 oil sending switch, 1 driver side window regulator, a gazillion brakes and rotors, countless sets of tires, 2 radiator fan motors. Never burnt up axle bearings or broke axle boots. AND they give you $250 a year for maintenance, that was dumped onto you're paycheck, so you get more taxes taken out. I was a 36 year convict / # 11196 / Paroled in 2022 @ age 55
There’s a Facebook group for high mileage odometer shots. You should post your odometer! 😂
 
No thanks. I gotta look at that ODO everytime I service that CRV ( which fortunately is not often anymore) The wife runs an 06' Camry LE / 4 cyl / automatic/ 126k I run an 03' Toyota Solara / 4cyl / automatic/ 128k . The CRV is " out to pasture" now. Our 13 yr old daughter will get it in senior year of H.S. I take it out of he garage to give it exercise 1X a week. A little local, a little highway, and back in the garage. I bought these little plastic curved things that sit under the tires so they don't get flat spots. Cheap. Got em off of Scamazon.
 
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