Oh oh, more Ultra drama

ZeeOSix said:
How was Fram not on the up and up about the old media type and efficiency?
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We have been through this as search would show. In short, at into of new Ultra, Fram rep(s) said OG media was synthetic blend, not well established/documented 2 ply full synthetic. As for efficiency, DuckRyder posted several times about inconsistencies in rep efficiency statements.
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Sayjac said:
We have been through this as search would show. In short, at into of new Ultra, Fram rep(s) said OG media was synthetic blend, not well established/documented 2 ply full synthetic.
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Would have to go on the Waybackmachine and see what Fram (not reps) was saying on their website.

Sayjac said:
As for efficiency, DuckRyder posted several times about inconsistencies in rep efficiency statements.
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How would he know that without running official ISO 4845-12 tests? That was never done until Ascent did it, and the data Ascent shows doesn't show any inconsistancy except that the Ultra he tested had better efficiency that what Fram claimed. Got links to all these claims?
 
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^^^^You asked a question, I provided accurate answers based on what I saw at the time and responded as such. So the referenced "Fram reps" don't represent or speak for Fram? I'll have to keep that in mind in the future. DuckRyder can speak for himself if he chooses. If really that interested can do your own search. Seems you're in an argumentative frame and pointless to further continue with the discussion. Have a good one.
 
Sayjac said:
^^^^You asked a question, I provided accurate answers based on what I saw at the time and responded as such. So the referenced "Fram reps" don't represent or speak for Fram? I have to keep that in mind in the future. DuckRyder can speak for himself if he chooses. If really that interested can do you own search. Seems you're in an argumentative frame and pointless to further continue with the discussion. Have a good one.
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Lets stay on topic here. We're trying to find out if Fram further cheapened the Fram Ultra...
 
ZeeOSix said:
Would have to go on the Waybackmachine and see what Fram (not reps) was saying on their website.


How would he know that without running official ISO 4845-12 tests? That was never done until Ascent did it, and the data Ascent shows doesn't show any inconsistancy except that the Ultra he tested had better efficiency that what Fram claimed. Got links to all these claims?
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So, what is consensus here? We gonna bash FRAM UKTRA and say don’t use it or…..??

I’m glad I don’t anymore; give me the pro Tec or CHAMP
 
53' Stude said:
So, what is consensus here? We gonna bash FRAM UKTRA and say don’t use it or…..??

I’m glad I don’t anymore; give me the pro Tec or CHAMP
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We're trying to figure out if the OP's photo is a 1 off manufacturing error by Fram.
I don't think any one else has reported this missing Sure Grip on any Fram Ultra's they bought yet.
 
Sayjac said:
^^^^You asked a question, I provided accurate answers based on what I saw at the time and responded as such. So the referenced "Fram reps" don't represent or speak for Fram? I'll have to keep that in mind in the future. DuckRyder can speak for himself if he chooses. If really that interested can do your own search. Seems you're in an argumentative frame and pointless to further continue with the discussion. Have a good one.
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I'm just asking questions and some claim backup. You sidestepped it all with no real answer. What did Motoking say that you think was not accurate or true? That's what is seems to be coming down to. As far as DR ... I highly doubt he will respond because I doubt he can back up his claims either.
 
Sure - these are preferences.

We have seen cut and pastes with the new non backed media coming out wavy.

To my mind thats the step right before a tear or separation. Maybe not, hopefully not, but it isnt very confidence inspiring.

Happy I have 10 OG FRU's on the shelf.
 
Here are screen shots from the Wayback Machine on the Ultra. It was always advertised as "dual-layer synthetic" (or 2-ply) media until the new Ultra come out, then it's shown as "dual-layer synthetic blend". How was Fram not "up and up about old media type and efficiency that was frequently documented here" ?

As we all know and many have experienced, the "Reps" emailing and taking calls don't always seem to know exactly what's going on. Their customer support team needs more training and management IMO, goes for all filter companies it seems. I'd trust the published website info before a phone Rep, since I'd bet the web info is reviewed by more than a person or two. At least it should be.

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SubieRubyRoo said:
But unless the link to the ISO testing is available we’re just left accepting their advertising. I’m not saying they’re lying, but if they were to post their charts similar to @Ascent Filtration Testing to compare… it’s hard to trust them when the apparent construction has been cheapened at the same time the shelf price has gone up 30%+…
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OTOH, @The Critic said I am finding that certain Ultras can now be acquired for about $7 - which makes them a strong value for their efficiency and capacity.

Coincidentally, I've noticed that the price of the Royal Purple and TRD filters for my Camry has dropped substantially as well. Very small samples, indeed, but maybe prices are starting to come down a little? We can hope ...
 
"For those interested" about what was said on this subforum at the time of intro of the current 'topic Ultra' is linked below. Iirc, it was is the first of many similar threads on the topic. It's 37 pages long. But most interesting might be post #57 by member Volk06, (quoting post,) what then "Fram engineers" stated in his email box about the OG Ultra media. Take special note of the bullet point #2 with their descriprion of OG Ultra media. Here is specific attachment. https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/attachments/66902/ Note, "moving from synthetic blend". That as opposed to known and documented OG Ultra 2 full synthetic media.

Happy reading.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/the-new-fram-ultra.344442/
 
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I have 12 Fram Ultra's XG7317's in my stach (not the OG's).
My 4 Hondas in total need 9 oil changes a year, so I have about a 1.33 year supply.
If there is a new cheaper Fram Ultra filter coming out, maybe I should buy some more of the current ones.
 
Sayjac said:
"For those interested" about what was said on this subforum at the time of intro of the current 'topic Ultra' is linked below. Iirc, it was is the first of many similar threads on the topic. It's 37 pages long. But most interesting might be post #57 by member Volk06, (quoting post,) what then "Fram engineers" stated in his email box about the OG Ultra media. Take special note of the bullet point #2 with their descriprion of OG Ultra media. Here is specific attachment. https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/attachments/66902/ That as opposed to known and documented OG Ultra 2 full synthetic media.

Happy reading.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/the-new-fram-ultra.344442/
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We all pretty much know the old Ultra media wasn't "baked onto the metal screen". Whoever wrote that at Fram didn't know what was going on ... perhaps a new guy shortly after First Brands bought Fram out and replaced all their engineers who did know what was going on - ?.
 
Sayjac said:
That as opposed to known and documented OG Ultra 2 full synthetic media.
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Just as I mentioned in some of those old threads discussing this, Fram never used the term "full synthetic" ... on only "synthetic". See my Wayback Machine screen-shots. If it was mostly "synthetic" material, it's possible they chose to just use the term "synthetic" vs "synthetic blend" with the OG Ultra. The new media is shown as "synthetic blend", so obviously far from "full synthetic" IMO.
 
Shel_B said:
OTOH, @The Critic said I am finding that certain Ultras can now be acquired for about $7 - which makes them a strong value for their efficiency and capacity.

Coincidentally, I've noticed that the price of the Royal Purple and TRD filters for my Camry has dropped substantially as well. Very small samples, indeed, but maybe prices are starting to come down a little? We can hope ...
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Where I live, Ultras were $7.99-8.99 prior to 2020/First Brands. As soon as the sale went through they jumped to $9.99-11.49, and probably about the time the new media hit shelves, the minimum price at everywhere but Rural King is now $10.89+. Don’t know how it is in other markets, but I’m glad I stocked up on the original wire-backed ones!
 
SubieRubyRoo said:
Where I live, Ultras were $7.99-8.99 prior to 2020/First Brands. As soon as the sale went through they jumped to $9.99-11.49, and probably about the time the new media hit shelves, the minimum price at everywhere but Rural King is now $10.89+. Don’t know how it is in other markets, but I’m glad I stocked up on the original wire-backed ones!
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All oil filters and oil has gone up due to inflation, so hard to distinguish that factor from others going on that might impact the prices.
 
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