OG Fram Titanium FS7317 C&P with bypass flashlight test

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Out: Valvoline R&P 5w30
Off: OG Fram Titanium FS 7317

In: Valvoline R&P 5w30
On: Fram Endurance FE 7317

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Nice! Comparing the topic bypass piece seal area ring in pics #4&5 (from top), to the Champ Labs made FE 7317 I posted, it's easily seen how much wider and smoother the finish is in the areas 90° to the stamped spring arms. Not surprised at your results. And you can't beat the media either.

Thanks for c&p with the light application.
 
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Nice! Comparing the topic bypass piece seal area ring in pics #4&5 (from top), to the Champ Labs made FE 7317 I posted, it's easily seen how much wider and smoother the finish is the areas 90° to the stamped spring arms. Not surprised at your results. And you can't beat the media either.

Thanks for c&p with the light application.
I’d say it took a fair bit of effort to pull apart. The bypass sits deeper in the end cap vs the Endurance too I believe. I’ll have a couple Endurances to test in a couple months.
 
I’d say it took a fair bit of effort to pull apart. The bypass sits deeper in the end cap vs the Endurance too I believe. I’ll have a couple Endurances to test in a couple months.
The FE7317 also took a "fair bit" to pull apart too. IDK about any depth difference. But again, the differences in bypass seal area finish obvious. Perhaps your FE be different than mine and WCW, or.....
 
Bypass flashlight test=100% no light leakage. Without fiber seal that was deleted from production on 7317.
As I mentioned in the other thread, if the leaf spring metal is formed correctly in the area where it seals on the end cap (ie, a flat and smooth surface) then it should not have any air gaps, just as you've found with this example.

Look at how nice the sealing area is formed here. The leaf spring on the Champ lab built filters seem all rough and much thinner in width too in this area.

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I can see two areas that seal the bypass valve leaf spring all the way around. One place deep in the end cap and the other on the top “bubble”.

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I don't think there is any real seal on the sides of the center tube hole because those 4 large ridges that stick out will prevent the leaf spring from sealing. Those ridges make an interference fit to make the leaf spring fit tight into the center tube - but doesn't make a real seal. The only real seal area is around the top ridge (your red circle on the right).
 
As I mentioned in the other thread, if the leaf spring metal is formed correctly in the area where it seals on the end cap (ie, a flat and smooth surface) then it should not have any air gaps, just as you've found with this example.

Look at how nice the sealing area is formed here. The leaf spring on the Champ lab built filters seem all rough and much thinner in width too in this area.

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I agree. Fit and finish are excellent. No movement at all at the interface as well.
 
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I’d say it took a fair bit of effort to pull apart. The bypass sits deeper in the end cap vs the Endurance too I believe. I’ll have a couple Endurances to test in a couple months.
Great! Thanks for posting the pics of the Titanium, looking forward to seeing the inside of the Endurances that you are running now.

As a side note, I have had lower particle counts with Endurance than with Amsoil EaO, I'm anxious to see how the Endurance looks when you're ready!!
 
As I mentioned in the other thread, if the leaf spring metal is formed correctly in the area where it seals on the end cap (ie, a flat and smooth surface) then it should not have any air gaps, just as you've found with this example.

Look at how nice the sealing area is formed here. The leaf spring on the Champ lab built filters seem all rough and much thinner in width too in this area.

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So the Titanium is not a Champion product? Do we know who makes them? You think the poor showing of the Champion products in the other thread was just a fluke? As I mentioned I've had better particle count results with Endurance than Amsoil EaO, both Champion products.

Thanks again to @Glenda W. for all the work!!!
 
The Titanium/Ultra are a Fram made filter. Unfortunately the new Titanium/Ultra’s as you know don’t compare to this OG. I’ll get them as long as I can and will continue to post build dates to track the change over on the 7317’s.
 
I’ve been thinking maybe the Ultra isn’t that bad. Especially since the last one I got has the louvers now, looks like a larger diameter tube so pleat lengths are shorter making them less likely to tear or get “wavy”.
 
I’ve been thinking maybe the Ultra isn’t that bad. Especially since the last one I got has the louvers now, looks like a larger diameter tube so pleat lengths are shorter making them less likely to tear or get “wavy”.
Looking at the c&p’s here shows lots of waves and a few tears.
 
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