Obesity

[BMWTurboDzl]

A part of the problem is that the FDA apparently kowtows to the food industry. I believe it was in 2024 but it may have been 2023 when the FDA announced that sugary cereals were a good breakfast for kids. You have to wonder who got paid off to make that decision?

Haha. That's not true. Have you looked at the revised "Food Pyramid"?

 

[Jetronic]

Haha. That's not true. Have you looked at the revised "Food Pyramid"?

I hope they finally put beer in there....

 

[PWMDMD]

I have not read this entire thread so forgive me if this has been discussed. I have always struggled with weight. I have been a 4x per week gym rat for 15 years. I'm strong, I'm flexible, I have a resting HR of 70, I can hike a 2000' vertical hike pretty easily, but even with this I've still struggled. GLP-1s have been a game changer. I simply do not care about food the way I used to and my attitude is I often have to force myself to eat when I don't want to because I'm experiencing hypoglycemia. I understand how normal weight people see food now and how they perceive it as just a choice. Food noise is real, it is driven by the lizard brain and directly tied to survival and that means it's really hard to ignore over the long stretch. It's been highly conserved since the times when food was scarce for humans.

My guess is we will find normal weight people naturally produce more GLP-1 than obese people. In this way, genetics plays a huge role in someone's view of food and hunger. It really pretty easy to not over eat now.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

I hope they finally put beer in there....

#1

 

[Jetronic]

When I used to ride my bicycle about 10 hours a week as fast as I could endure (close to vomiting at times if I went a bit deeper than I should have), my resting heart rate dropped to 41 eventually. But I didn't lose weight. I lost some fat but it was offset with more leg muscle. After I stopped that I gained the lost fat back but didn't lose the leg muscle quite as fast and ended up heavier.

I do have a bit more fat than ideal, but not as much as my 30 BMI suggests. The weight is largely in my legs.

 

[billt460]

For all of you exercise freaks out there, remember the average middle aged man burns between 70 and 80 calories per hour while sitting in a recliner. So be sure to deduct that from your sweaty endeavours.

Also, A heavier person will burn more calories than a lighter person, even when doing the same activity. So if you're up around 450 lbs. you will burn more calories sitting in that recliner, than the skinny guy will riding his bike, sweating his butt off. So bulk up!

https://www.google.com/search?sca_e...QOUEFIQBSgAegQIDxAB&biw=1024&bih=482&dpr=1.88

 

[Pew]

I have not read this entire thread so forgive me if this has been discussed. I have always struggled with weight. I have been a 4x per week gym rat for 15 years. I'm strong, I'm flexible, I have a resting HR of 70, I can hike a 2000' vertical hike pretty easily, but even with this I've still struggled. GLP-1s have been a game changer. I simply do not care about food the way I used to and my attitude is I often have to force myself to eat when I don't want to because I'm experiencing hypoglycemia. I understand how normal weight people see food now and how they perceive it as just a choice. Food noise is real, it is driven by the lizard brain and directly tied to survival and that means it's really hard to ignore over the long stretch. It's been highly conserved since the times when food was scarce for humans.

My guess is we will find normal weight people naturally produce more GLP-1 than obese people. In this way, genetics plays a huge role in someone's view of food and hunger. It really pretty easy to not over eat now.

My coworker has the same problem. He's a huge gym rat, goes nearly everyday with a much stricter and stronger regimen, eats way healthier than I do, but he just can't get his weight to go down. He's been taking those glp-1 shots for a few months now and finally starting to lose his gut.

He did say his doctor recommends to keep working out since the people that don't workout and take the shots get the "ozempic wrinkles".

Edit: What I'm wary of is the long term side affects; kind of like how cigarettes and amphetamines were used to stave off hunger in the short term but long term issues didn't arise until it was too late.

 

[PWMDMD]

He did say his doctor recommends to keep working out since the people that don't workout and take the shots get the "ozempic wrinkles".

It so a part of my life now. I haven't missed more than 2 weeks in 10 years and that was a trip to Europe. It's just part of my weekly schedule.

 

[Marrk]

I have not read this entire thread so forgive me if this has been discussed. I have always struggled with weight. I have been a 4x per week gym rat for 15 years. I'm strong, I'm flexible, I have a resting HR of 70, I can hike a 2000' vertical hike pretty easily, but even with this I've still struggled. GLP-1s have been a game changer. I simply do not care about food the way I used to and my attitude is I often have to force myself to eat when I don't want to because I'm experiencing hypoglycemia. I understand how normal weight people see food now and how they perceive it as just a choice. Food noise is real, it is driven by the lizard brain and directly tied to survival and that means it's really hard to ignore over the long stretch. It's been highly conserved since the times when food was scarce for humans.

My guess is we will find normal weight people naturally produce more GLP-1 than obese people. In this way, genetics plays a huge role in someone's view of food and hunger. It really pretty easy to not over eat now.

What weight are you now, and what weight do you think you ought to be? Are there any studies on appropriate individual weight versus norming to a statistical target?

I am not an expert, nor am I a doctor, but I've thought about this issue with regard to women. I'm inclined to think that some women need to carry more weight, i.e., being heavier is normal for them. I wonder if we are missing something when we strive to reach an abstract health goal.

 

[ripcord]

A real problem with obesity is that once you build up all those additional fat cells, you don't get rid of them, even if you lose weight. They just kind of go flat like a deflated innertube. They're always there waiting to Hoover up any spec of excess glycogen.

 

[#18FAN]

It so a part of my life now. I haven't missed more than 2 weeks in 10 years and that was a trip to Europe. It's just part of my weekly schedule.

It's because and what I tell people and you'd probably agree it has to be in your lifestyle.

 

[Pablo]

A real problem with obesity is that once you build up all those additional fat cells, you don't get rid of them, even if you lose weight. They just kind of go flat like a deflated innertube. They're always there waiting to Hoover up any spec of excess glycogen.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/106343#1

Mostly true. Kinda sorta.

I mean don't make it seem like I will always be fat, you meany.

 

[rszappa1]

I hope they finally put beer in there....

Its just liquid corn flakes......

 

[billt460]

Now he's got the right idea on diet and exercise.

 

[Pablo]

For all of you exercise freaks out there, remember the average middle aged man burns between 70 and 80 calories per hour while sitting in a recliner. So be sure to deduct that from your sweaty endeavours.

Also, A heavier person will burn more calories than a lighter person, even when doing the same activity. So if you're up around 450 lbs. you will burn more calories sitting in that recliner, than the skinny guy will riding his bike, sweating his butt off. So bulk up!

https://www.google.com/search?sca_e...QOUEFIQBSgAegQIDxAB&biw=1024&bih=482&dpr=1.88

Are you chubby?

 

[billt460]

Are you chubby?

6'2". 210lbs.

 

[Vil_Riker]

A part of the problem is that the FDA apparently kowtows to the food industry. I believe it was in 2024 but it may have been 2023 when the FDA announced that sugary cereals were a good breakfast for kids. You have to wonder who got paid off to make that decision?

People want cheap food.

Another thing I noticed, our food likely lacks nutrients and that is probably the reason we eat so much in this country. Not many have access to real food, even organic doesn't guarantee that your food will have the nutrients you expect them to have.

 

[#18FAN]

People want cheap food.

Another thing I noticed, our food likely lacks nutrients and that is probably the reason we eat so much in this country. Not many have access to real food, even organic doesn't guarantee that your food will have the nutrients you expect them to have.

I don't believe much of this at all .it's a great excuse but that's about it.

 

[Pablo]

People want cheap food.

Another thing I noticed, our food likely lacks nutrients and that is probably the reason we eat so much in this country. Not many have access to real food, even organic doesn't guarantee that your food will have the nutrients you expect them to have.

No people fill up on useless simple carbohydrates - which lack almost everything except calories

 

[Wireman1987]

Time to lay off the McDonald's folks. It's hurting the economy.

"The US has one of the highest rates of obesity in the advanced world, a rate that has increased from 15% in 1980 to 30.5% in 2000 to 41.9% in 2020. This is ten times the rate in Japan and significantly higher than China. Obesity is linked to multiple health problems, including heart disease, depression, hypertension, lifestyle related cancer and diabetes, which afflicts 13% of the population and costs US employers an estimated $90 billion a year.
The obesity problem is significantly worse in a cluster of southern and southeastern states (Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee and Texas) that have strong military traditions. It is also worse in the working class and in Black and Hispanic populations (the figures for Asians are more complicated because there is such a difference between Southeast Asia and the Indian subcontinent). A 2020 study put the economic cost of obesity at almost $1.4 trillion for 2018 — almost 7% of the gross domestic product.
The opioid epidemic turbocharged America’s problems with drug- and alcohol-abuse. Deaths from drug overdoses rose from 17,000 (62 per million) in 2000 to 92,000 (277 per million) in 2020, largely driven by the mass production and distribution of opioids by big pharmaceutical companies. Unsurprisingly, opioid abusers are more likely to take unscheduled leaves or drop out of the workforce entirely as well as to die prematurely.
The opioid epidemic may have taken root in populations that already had health problems: The vast majority of opioids were originally prescribed to people who want relief from pain caused by either disability or illness. The epidemic is certainly more concentrated in certain classes and areas where repetitive physical work is a way of life: Death rates from overdoses are five to seven times higher for those without a college degree than for those with one and much higher in ex-coal mining communities, particularly in Appalachia, than elsewhere.
The Covid-19 pandemic acted as the third horseman of the health apocalypse. America’s Covid death rate is still much higher than in most other advanced countries, with 339 deaths per 100,000 population compared with 254 in France, 201 in Germany and 134 in Canada, thanks to the country’s poor primary healthcare system.
The pandemic led to a sharp decline in America’s (already low) labor force participation rate, a decline from which the country has still not recovered. It also seems to have left a longer-term legacy in terms of “long Covid,” a problem that doctors are still trying to understand but which leaves people with problems such as fatigue, shortness of breath, and brain fog. The Brookings Institution suggests that some three million people — or 1.8% of the civilian labor force — may be out of work due to long Covid, representing $168 billion in lost annual earnings."

I don’t suck down Big Macs or inhale whoppers but I’m a proud contributor to the obesity brigade. I battle weight for years I just enjoy good food in quantities I need to throttle off from. Take it tonight 3 squares of homemade cornbread