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Again I agree but disagree on certain subtleties. Extreme example - say all the calories are beer. Your body will battle and the weight loss will be much slower if at all. It’s fine to think of it as you if it works for you - but in reality it’s not that simple the way the body deals with food. The pathways of metabolism are different for example. Even sugar pathways are different for glucose and fructose.
Some of the seed oils and junk in process food are toxins. Straight up in some cases they don't follow or don't allow your body to follow normal pathways
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"Yes, the type of calories does matter because different foods can affect your body in various ways, influencing hunger, metabolism, and overall health. For example, calories from protein can lead to greater satiety and energy expenditure compared to calories from sugars or processed foods."
https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/stop-counting-calories
https://theconversation.com/not-all...s-of-foods-you-eat-matter-to-your-body-156900
https://thesilhouetteclinic.com/not-all-calories-are-equal/
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog...-calories-are-not-created-equal-2016110410602
We don't "diet" per say, but we do make healthy choices. Though not actively trying to follow it, our household food lifestyle more similarly resembles the Mediterranean diet just with more red meat.
I don't count calories day to day. I'll mentally note a ballpark figure, but it's not something I actively keep track of. I don't do macros or any of that. To me, doing all of that makes it a chore which is going to push me away from sticking to it. It makes the easy and convenient fast food appear even more easy and convenient, and this is why I think a lot of diets fail. You see it all the time with people saying count your calories, watch your macros, weight out your exact servings, record everything you eat, etc... and that ultimately just turns it into a lot more work than it needs to be, making it more difficult for people to stick with it. It's hard enough to adjust to the different way of eating, let alone pile all of that on top of it. It's more detrimental, from a mental standpoint, than it is helpful.
Eating certain foods in balance is certainly better, but not usually feasible for someone trying to adjust to a new way of life. Baby steps, gradually changing your mindset and approach to food, is what's needed for most. A small victory is better than no victory. If I'd went from the way I was to cold turkey stopping, going by macros again like I used to, I would've failed to curb the problem. It simply would've exhausted me mentally to try to do that. I'm still not in a place where I can comfortably do that, but I'm slowly and surely getting there.
I don't buy into the keto BS or carnivore BS or whatever. Your body needs carbs. Your body needs fats. Your body needs protein. Balance and moderation. While your body doesn't metabolize fats the same way as carbs and protein, it does take a toll on your body nonetheless. If you overindulge on fats, it will hurt your liver. If it's protein, it'll take a toll on your kidneys. If it's carbs, your pancreas will pay the price. Balance and moderation. Stop making it more complicated than it needs to be, while at the same time, stop trying to oversimplify it. It simply is what it is and nothing more or less.
I don't count calories day to day. I'll mentally note a ballpark figure, but it's not something I actively keep track of. I don't do macros or any of that. To me, doing all of that makes it a chore which is going to push me away from sticking to it. It makes the easy and convenient fast food appear even more easy and convenient, and this is why I think a lot of diets fail. You see it all the time with people saying count your calories, watch your macros, weight out your exact servings, record everything you eat, etc... and that ultimately just turns it into a lot more work than it needs to be, making it more difficult for people to stick with it. It's hard enough to adjust to the different way of eating, let alone pile all of that on top of it. It's more detrimental, from a mental standpoint, than it is helpful.
Eating certain foods in balance is certainly better, but not usually feasible for someone trying to adjust to a new way of life. Baby steps, gradually changing your mindset and approach to food, is what's needed for most. A small victory is better than no victory. If I'd went from the way I was to cold turkey stopping, going by macros again like I used to, I would've failed to curb the problem. It simply would've exhausted me mentally to try to do that. I'm still not in a place where I can comfortably do that, but I'm slowly and surely getting there.
I don't buy into the keto BS or carnivore BS or whatever. Your body needs carbs. Your body needs fats. Your body needs protein. Balance and moderation. While your body doesn't metabolize fats the same way as carbs and protein, it does take a toll on your body nonetheless. If you overindulge on fats, it will hurt your liver. If it's protein, it'll take a toll on your kidneys. If it's carbs, your pancreas will pay the price. Balance and moderation. Stop making it more complicated than it needs to be, while at the same time, stop trying to oversimplify it. It simply is what it is and nothing more or less.
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I have learned a lot from this thread and supplemental reading. While I am at a comfortable weight now (6’2”, 195 lbs @ 74 years old), I have had a tendency to drift up in weight throughout my life and have dropped 20-40 pounds several times. For me it was easy, when I got angry enough I just cranked up my will power and said no to excess food or carbs. As a result I tended to view overweight people as just lacking the psychological strength to buckle down and get serious like I did. I now realize it’s not that easy for many and am working on changing my view. Thanks for the insight.
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Knew a guy who practiced and preached Keto - shed a few pounds - kept them off - died of cancer at 62 anyway …
I took it more like he is using Amsoil SS, 10W-30 in his 0W-8 engine, 3K changes, and someone t-bone totaled him.
I have always lived by the Mack Truck Theorem that I made up as a young man: At any time or any place when you least expect it, you may get hit by a Mack truck. Accordingly I treat myself like my very best friend and savor my remaining time on this wet rock. Guilt, shame, and regret are just wasted emotions. Look forward and look up!
No....we do not need carbohydrates.
Truth and if you did the average American who does much of nothing needs very little in the line of carbs it's why most people are in the situation they are.
Keto or Ketogenic diet is not "BS" It was "invented" at Johns Hopkins decades ago as a treatment for epilepsy, especially childhood epilepsy, and has been proven scientifically to help.
It also has similar benefits to people with other diseases.
The diet book grifters have stolen it. Its still definitely worth researching if your looking into this for health reasons, specifically what food does what.
On the carb thing - we eat way, way too many carbs. Many healthy veggies have carbs - even tomatoes have some carbs. You definately don't need to worry about not getting enough.
Because we essentially match (6' 1.75", 214 lbs @ same age), with the same 20-40 pound drops, I'd love to compare our skeletons.
Tremendously reducing my carb intake has led to a 35 lbs. weight loss over the last 30 months.
Felt OK before. Feel MUCH BETTER now.
I never ate badly; just too much and too much carbs.
However, I've a resilient collar of fat around my middle.
30 months ago I kissed vodka good-bye and had only the occasional beer (carbs) and wine.
Now, through July 2025 (annual physical) I'm dumping the wine.
I'm flogging the calorie thing.
I do all the cooking so I earn "Valuable Husband Points" for making carbs for the Mrs.
Anybody got the Husband Points redemption catalog?
Not at all. If you consume 1,500 calories/day of high fructose corn syrup or 1,500 calories/day of healthy foods, you'll be much healthier on the latter and sick as a dog on the former.
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No
Carbs are not the enemy. Nor are fats and proteins. Some diets are better for certain people than others based on genetics and situation. There are blood tests you can take to see which type of food is better for your body and if you have allergies that are affecting your health and causing inflammation. Some people do better on fats than others and some do better on carbs than others. Proper balance and calorie restriction can go a long way towards health.
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Yes, but if you read my post I explain that I’m talking about for weight loss. And that health is a separate conversation.
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